New pices from Chinese special forces

maozedong

maozedong

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this one is PLA navy special force.

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Following is the PLA special forces armband of the seven military regions:

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Shenyang Military Region "Northeast Tiger", Beijing Military Region "Oriental Excalibur"

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Chengdu Military Region "Southwest Falcon",the last is airborne troops "blue sky sword"

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Lanzhou Military Region "Tiger Night"; Jinan Military Region "Eagle"

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Nanjing Military Region "dragon", Guangzhou Military Region "Southland sword"
 
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gizhou

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And the reasons they are Special Forces are? Motorcycle side cars were phased out in the Second World War and Quads could be used by anybody. If you tried toi use one operationally you would quickly find their limitations. The turreted minigun is a joke as it is missing amongst other things (if it was real) its power and feed supplies let alone the harmonics on its mount due to its its recoil and spinning barrels. Armed 4x4s were trialled by the US Army in the 1980s and were found wanting - especially in regards to protection for the crew against all manner of threats including the elements and the rocket launchers are a joke too. The blast from the rockets would incinerate the crews and severley damage if not disable the vehicle on the first shot.
 
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gizhou

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Pure conjecture. English translations of Chinese articles, including ones I have done, describe it as a trials unit only. It lacks any sort of sustainability or protection and was not described in any Chinese article I have read/translated as a special forces unit - only as a light mechanised airborne unit. Airborne are not special forces in the PLA. It all reminds me of the US Army's 9th light infantry division from the 70s and 80s, or if you are oold er the old TV series Rat Patrol. One rifle round into the driver is all that is required to knock these vehicles out.
 
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Scratch

Captain
Hm, on the light vehicle subject.
In the past one important capability of SOFs in the field was mobility. Since they had to operate covertly and with little support, being light and mobile was more important than protection.
Those light jeeps were not meant to fight regular army units. They're rather scouting vehicles with MMG / HMG for self protection.
And hitting a driver in a jeep moving at 30-50km/h, who is perhaps maneuvering, is protected by his mates laying down suppresive fire from .308 and / or .50 weapons and that all during night isn't easy at all.
Same for the quads. There are scenarios where you have to cover greater areas to scout. A jeep is alredy too heavy to move around, but a cross country motor cycle is too light to carry the stuff.
 
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gizhou

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I'll tell you now, if a vehicle is going 30-50km/hr cross country the guys innside are strapped in tight. I don't wish to be rude but have you actually been off roading, night ops etc. Firing from a moving vehicle and a person lying down is a waste of ammunition and more dangerous to the vehicle and crew than to anything you are aiming at. Quads are great but really are only good for scouting and light resupply, as they can be fitted with a really good little trailer. Quads are easily loaded off balance.

The big factor is that the unit, at best is a couple of companies strong, is moved by helicopter so it restricts the number that can be deployed at once. They are airborne personnel by the way not SOF. No tanks or APCs as written in the the other article that is refered to in the thread. This info is taken from more than one reliable Chinese language source.
 
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Well, my reply here was not specificly directed at this experimental unit, but more generally at the use of light vehicles for SpecOps.
Firing from a moving vehicle in rough terrain is of course anything but accurate. However, if that supressive fire can prevent someone in the bushes from taking accurate shots at you, I don't think it's a waste of ammo.
 
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chakos

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Quads are great but really are only good for scouting and light resupply, as they can be fitted with a really good little trailer. Quads are easily loaded off balance.
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Have a look at photos from Afghanistan of Aussie and Brit Specfor troops and youll find just how usefull quads and light 4x4's really are. For long range recce, fast attack and light transport duties they are unsurpassed.

You need to understand that 4X4's and quads are used slightly differently in western forces. You dont fight from a quad. They are basically a recce vehicle. There are pics of the Chinese using them as fighting platforms but they are using stand off weapons. They are not designed to get up close and dirty.

A gunned up 4X4 on the other hand can and does get used for fast attack work. An SAS manned section of 2 or 4 4X4's bristling with machine guns (I think the 25mm cannon aint the most usefull from a weight/benefit perspective) would give most leg infantry units caught in the open a very bad mauling.

They are not designed to attack fortified positions or trenchlines. In the hands of professionals who know how to use them in the correct situation such vehicles are extremelly effective
 
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gizhou

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chakos said:
Have a look at photos from Afghanistan of Aussie and Brit Specfor troops and youll find just how usefull quads and light 4x4's really are. For long range recce, fast attack and light transport duties they are unsurpassed.

You need to understand that 4X4's and quads are used slightly differently in western forces. You dont fight from a quad. They are basically a recce vehicle. There are pics of the Chinese using them as fighting platforms but they are using stand off weapons. They are not designed to get up close and dirty.

A gunned up 4X4 on the other hand can and does get used for fast attack work. An SAS manned section of 2 or 4 4X4's bristling with machine guns (I think the 25mm cannon aint the most usefull from a weight/benefit perspective) would give most leg infantry units caught in the open a very bad mauling.

They are not designed to attack fortified positions or trenchlines. In the hands of professionals who know how to use them in the correct situation such vehicles are extremelly effective
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You really have NFI:rofl:
 
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chakos

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Well explain to me where i am wrong rather than make such a random statement without backing it up
 
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