new PAP special forces unit

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ahho

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I don't think it has anything to do with culture. China police force (especially different cities now have their own force) don't always carry a pistol.

As for have a gun is better than that sword-mace (baton) in previous page, I think it is because having a melee weapon drawn would cause lesser problem after the incident. If you draw a gun at a innocent person that was just acting weird, you could get complained and sued (Yeah, Chinese are getting into law now), but if you have a melee weapon drawn already, the person can't really complain that you have a baton drawn when approaching.

Also, there was a video (someone posted this video in this forum when the Chinese Police service revolcer was out) where an armed police officer in China, shot a suspect few times (don't know if he missed) and had no effect. In the end, the police officer just used brute force on the suspect to stop him
 
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kriss

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taxiya said:
Good that you know that the "soldiers in movies" is off topic. And I know the literal meaning of your words but my question remains because the two situations are different.

In the "soldiers in movies", they are authorized by the right command to do so in the right context, not in uniforms. Nothing they do is off the book and rule. The PAP being part of the state machinery is authorized by the central military commission to do so.

However, in this stunt, they are using some non-regulated "weapons" to carry out their duties in uniforms. That is a breach of the rules. The commander I referred to has no such authority, it is not like a commander with any rank can issue whatever weapons to his subordinates to carry out tasks out of the guidance of operative directives which include what weapons they are authorized to use in specified situations. Plain and simple.

That is why I asked you what was your meaning by bringing in "soldiers in movies".
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IIRC another member posted that the authority claim this is for promotion only and not a weapon issued. If that's the case it's clearly pointless to take the discussion further. If this is really going to be some kind a standard issue, well, like other members I doubt it's practicality for reasons other members already mentioned. The only practical use of it I could think of is used in riot control where a line of soldiers with this and perhaps another line of shield holders in front of them take the advantage of long weapon to not so violently remove the crowd from area.

As to why I bring up "soldiers in movie"? You bring up the movie stuff first remember?
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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B4 we know it JMSDF would be using samurais, Swiss army halberd and British SAS broad swords and arbolests.

US would still stick to our trusty 9mm glocks because we didn't exist then LOL.
 
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taxiya

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kriss said:
As to why I bring up "soldiers in movie"? You bring up the movie stuff first remember?
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I said "PAP is NOT...". The "soldiers in movie" was what I used as a metaphor to criticize and reject that practice. While your continuation of "Red Cliff" seemed (to me at least) justify the practice while I see the two are not comparable therefor "Red Cliff" is irrelevant. That's why I questioned your meaning by bringing in "irrelevant" matters. Or course the "irrelevance" is my own view, seems you don't agree?

Unless you thought and still think the two are comparable and "Red Cliff" is relevant, in that case, I still don't have an answer from you, but neither do I really care to get one since I am pretty sure there is none convincing. Let's move on.
 
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kriss

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taxiya said:
I said "PAP is NOT...". The "soldiers in movie" was what I used as a metaphor to criticize and reject that practice. While your continuation of "Red Cliff" seemed (to me at least) justify the practice while I see the two are not comparable therefor "Red Cliff" is irrelevant. That's why I questioned your meaning by bringing in "irrelevant" matters. Or course the "irrelevance" is my own view, seems you don't agree?

Unless you thought and still think the two are comparable and "Red Cliff" is relevant, in that case, I still don't have an answer from you, but neither do I really care to get one since I am pretty sure there is none convincing. Let's move on.
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I see we got this misunderstanding here so I'll try to explain myself.

First you post PAP are not for stunt in a low budget movie. I take this as you thought these PAP soldiers is very unlikely to be in part of camera op. So I reply that they indeed take part in movies so the possibility of PAP soldier have those mace only for promotion purpose cannot be excluded. Sorry if my phasing cause your confusion or make you feel offended but my post is pretty much point to point and doesn't mean anything except the literally meaning of it. Actually I never expect this to unfold to a topic so yes I agree we leave it be and move on.
 
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taxiya

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kriss said:
I see we got this misunderstanding here so I'll try to explain myself.

First you post PAP are not for stunt in a low budget movie. I take this as you thought these PAP soldiers is very unlikely to be in part of camera op. So I reply that they indeed take part in movies so the possibility of PAP soldier have those mace only for promotion purpose cannot be excluded. Sorry if my phasing cause your confusion or make you feel offended but my post is pretty much point to point and doesn't mean anything except the literally meaning of it. Actually I never expect this to unfold to a topic so yes I agree we leave it be and move on.
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I agree it is a misunderstanding.

I always believe in the Chinese institution, PAP or PLA soldiers are supposed to be part of camera op if the state authorize it as it has happened many times. On this account, we agree with each other. I was only trying to say that in this particular case, the local commander or official was exercising power that was way above their pay grade, a city level commander of PAP (Chengdu, was it?) is only a regiment max, too low for a camera op especially in uniform which may require much stricter and higher rank's authorization. The actual person who authorized it may be even lower.

I also admit that my tone was a bit harsh, apologize for that. No, I am not offended when it is a misunderstanding on my part which is due to past experiences of some other members here mocking Chinese institutions as primarily propaganda based, movie or photo ops included. And you probably are aware of it. Once again, thanks for the clarification.:)
 
Ultra

Ultra

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siegecrossbow said:
Here are some photos of PAP soldiers equipped with "wolf's tooth mace" (similar to the European morning star).

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I think those are for the cavity search performing on all those naughty terrorists.
I say, "DEEP AND HARD"!
 
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