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I think the author was trying to depict and example of a VTOL aircraft with the first photo.As for the 2nd, i think we can expect psed pics until we get an official release if the story is true.
New Chinese "F-X" single-engine fighter?
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I think the author was trying to depict and example of a VTOL aircraft with the first photo.As for the 2nd, i think we can expect psed pics until we get an official release if the story is true.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
The J-15 has barely entered service. Any follow-up for it will have to wait at least 5 years. Unless you are talking about the much-debated J-10C. But that's not a replacement.
J-18 and J-19 are not reported. They may be simply designs. JH-7B has been revealed more. Furthermore, there's this new report about a SAC fighter called the "Snowy Owl".
J-13 was given to a 1970s project. The "J-14" designation is ambiguous. The J-14 designation is quite popular and reported quite a few times. Or maybe it may never be used.
We have agreed to wait.
Not true. If it incorporates 5th-generation design such as internal weapons bay, AESA, etc, then it would fit that description.
The J-20/J-XX began work in the nineties when the J-10 barely entered service too.
It's not like SAC doesn't have the technology to build a 4+ or 5th gen naval fighter, considering they had their own J-XX proposal and does subcontracting work for J-20.
You can't call a few articles from backwater blogs and news sites as "reports"... Maybe uncredible rumors at best.
Until we hear some of the big shrimps on boards start talking about it... then their existance could be considered.
I don't believe any J-18 or J-19 currently exist, but am just repeating what Huitong said, that it could be given to any follow up to J-15, which must be already under development.
The J-14 designation was quite popular, and misreported quite a few times. It will probably never be used.
Lol do you honestly believe any JF-17 upgrade will have internal weapon bays? Then it wouldn't be an upgrade, it'll be an entirely new aircraft. Maybe semi recessed will be possible, but with it will be impossible to get real internal weapon bays in the JF-17 as it is.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
Such a move would render the J-15 useless. And SAC won't waste money like this. From what I've read, there are no reports of a J-15 follow-up. If there is an imaginary follow-up, then it would probably be deployed around the time the first combat carrier is commissioned. That would mean the J-15 was a waste of time. It's totally illogical.
Big "shrimps" in China have already relayed these numerous articles. Huitong mentioned it. What else are you looking for? An official inauguration by Hu Jintao?
J-18 and J-19 may never be used, but I do believe that SAC is building a 5th-generation stealth fighter apart from the J-16.
14 means bad luck in Chinese. Other designations will be used.
Why not? JF-17 is not a strike fighter. A small weapons bay specifically adapted to air-to-air missiles is perfect. Not to mention smaller aircraft like the Q-5 had a bay. A semi-recessedl bay can also be used.
Not at all -- can you imagine the risk of developing a naval fighter in the 5th gen class on a first try?
It would be far safer and more logical to gain experience developing an (relatively) easier plane from a platform you're already familiar with. With the experience gained from developing a naval fighter you can easily apply that to a follow up 5th gen fighter, the latter of which SAC already has experience with, in competing for the J-XX contract and subcontracting for J-20 under CAC.
And yes I think SAC would waste money, considering how sucky they are with J-11Bs.
And J-15 would not become useless even if there was a 5th generation follow up a few years after it -- it's a safer platform to start out on, and in is still a very formidable design. With modern avionics and weapons it will be able to challenge the equivalent carrier fighters along the likes of Superhornet or Rafale, Mig-29K.
Again I'm not stating that there's definitely a J-15 follow up from SAC or anyone, but just that there could be (and such an aircraft probably is under development), and it could be given the J-18 or J-19 designation.
I never said I wanted anything official, but I do want something credible.
Forgive me for pointing out names, but until posters in the ranks of huitong, tphuang, deino, =GT, pinko, xinhui, and seigecrossbow, 70092 (and/or equally credible news sites or "professional" analysts) relay articles from chinese big shrimps you'll not convince many people, definitely not me at least.
... Right, whatever.
Wtf...? So first you imply you believe the J-14 designation will be used, now you say it won't be. And I said many posts back that 4 is bad luck in Chinese, make up your mind dude..
A weapons bay, even if it was only for air to air missiles, would require major redesign of the aircraft. I mean just look at the JF-17 as it is, do you think there is space to fit any AA missiles internally into a hypothetical weapons bay?
Unless it was designed in mind originally to incorporate a weapons bay in later derivatives, any "5th gen JF-17" won't have real internal weapon capability.
vesicles
Colonel
First of all, all the stuff about number "4" sounding like death is only applicable in Cantanese, not in mandarin. Also, I don't think PLA is superstitious since most people in command positions in PLA and CCP have been educated in the 60's and 70's when people were talked not to believe in stuff like that.
Also, number 13 is actually a lucky number in Chinese culture (Taoism, I think).
A few years ago there was a picture of a cockpit which on one of the multifunction displays had a blue outline of a single engine aircraft which a wing layout similar to the f-35. I can’t find the picture now, but maybe it is close to what the f-x will look like. Before the J-20 came out there was a similar cockpit picture which had a layout close to what the plane actually looked like.
vesicles
Colonel
No, 10 doesn't sound like death, but like "really" or "truly" in Cantanese. So 14 sounds a lot like "really dead" in Cantanese. That's why people in Hong Kong don't like 14.