coolieno99
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The effective blast radius of nuke depends on its yield. 500kt nuke is equivalent to 25 Hiroshima bombs. I think the blast radius is more than a few km.
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The effective blast radius of nuke depends on its yield. 500kt nuke is equivalent to 25 Hiroshima bombs. I think the blast radius is more than a few km.
Mysterre
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Find out for yourself:
Based on the description, I would estimate that it requires somewhere between 2 and 5 psi to significantly damage a carrier and somewhere north of 7 psi to outright destroy it. For a 500kt nuclear explosion, 7 psi is achieved at 1.83 miles, 5 psi at 2.23 miles, and 2 psi at 3.91 miles.
coolieno99
Junior Member
Detonation of 23 kt nuke on naval targets. Those little dark objects on the bottom of the screen are ships. Note that 23 kt is about 20 times smaller than 500 kt.
[video=youtube;b2WQvtGnBQw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2WQvtGnBQw&playnext=1&list=PLE3120FABC4C213B5&feature=results_main[/video]
[video=youtube;b2WQvtGnBQw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2WQvtGnBQw&playnext=1&list=PLE3120FABC4C213B5&feature=results_main[/video]
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
This proves what, exactly? Nuclear explosions are big? We know that already. What we also know is that you don't have any distance numbers for us and thus can only imply. But you know and I know that this is not nearly enough. Not only that, you cannot even demonstrate whether the ships that were deluged with seaspray actually sustained any significant damage other than being dowsed with water. You can see that at 0:46 seconds and following, those ships are still there after the shockwave passes through them. Many of the closer ships are also no more than a few hundred meters from the explosion, and they look like they survived.
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Mysterre
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This Wiki article confirms even more concretely what I have been saying all along. 1,000 yards was the limit of "serious" damage, which did not necessarily include sinking. Of the 19 ships inside the 1,000 yard blast radius of the Able test, only 5 ships were sunk. Of the 20 ships inside the 1,000 yard blast radius of the Baker test, only 8 ships were sunk. In both of those tests there were ships right around 500 yards distance that did not sink at all.
Another thing I like to add is that, until a full saturation attack happens we really don't know just how the AA missile performs in shutting down incoming Ashm. It seems most modern missiles do some trick maneuvers, such as flying very low at first and only pop up near the target, or even before it hit the target it is able to do large G movements before impact. So we don't know just how effective those AA missiles are at shutting down incoming Ashm.
The same can be said for the Ashm, the biggest problem as usual is to acquire targets to launch towards them, and even when it is in mid air, they can be jammed, they can be set off course by decoy launcher launching chaffs, and of course they can be shut down by CIWS or AA missiles etc...
It would really go both ways, best case scenario most of the incoming missile would be shut down, or most of the incoming missiles would hit the targets, we just don't know the answer until it happens.
But I personally think the missile barrage will win the fight, even if they can shot down most of it, but all you need is 1 to hit the mark and it will most likely disable the target to take it out of combat.
The same can be said for the Ashm, the biggest problem as usual is to acquire targets to launch towards them, and even when it is in mid air, they can be jammed, they can be set off course by decoy launcher launching chaffs, and of course they can be shut down by CIWS or AA missiles etc...
It would really go both ways, best case scenario most of the incoming missile would be shut down, or most of the incoming missiles would hit the targets, we just don't know the answer until it happens.
But I personally think the missile barrage will win the fight, even if they can shot down most of it, but all you need is 1 to hit the mark and it will most likely disable the target to take it out of combat.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
IMO a PLAN saturation attack against a USN fleet armed with Aegis and CEC will have be large and in charge in order to succeed. Also, you should know that a single hit is highly unlikely to even just mission kill a ship the size of an AB or Tico unless you are extremely lucky. The USS Stark (a 4,000t frigate) took 2 Exocets (well, 1.5) right in the gut and limped to a friendly port on its own power. I guesstimate that it would take 3 or 4 solid hits on a AB/Tico to mission kill or sink it.
Didn't the maker of C-802 says that this missile is guarantee to sink a 4,000t frigate? Even if it won't sink a destroyer, I think mission kill is very likely, it will shut down the sensors and weapon systems on the ships to make it harmless and take it out of the action.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
I've never heard of this claim, but regardless, what they say and what happens in reality is not necessarily the same thing. I'm sure MBDA will make a similar "guarantee" about the Exocet. Mission kill on a frigate is more likely, moderate non-incapacitating damage to a destroyer is likely, but to sink a frigate or mission kill a destroyer with a single C-802 is less likely IMO. Damage control capabilities and experience count for alot, obviously, along with blind luck (aka HMS Sheffield, for example).
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