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Jeff Head

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Sad day. One dead and the other severelly injured.


[video=youtube;j7DA-wNNcU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j7DA-wNNcU[/video]

I am sure at some point we will see video of the actual failure.

...and right on the heels of the Antares rocket failure too.

Just lets you know...this is a very cutting edge and dangerous business. I am actuially amazed that either of the crew survived.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
This video of the Antares failure on the 28th was shot from the crowd of onlookers, 1.5 miles away. It is breathtaking and the concussion at that distance from the explosion when it crashed to earth was huge.


[video=youtube;o4SH1B7tzJY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4SH1B7tzJY[/video]
 

Scratch

Captain
Looks like premature deployment of a re-entry aid caused the SpaceShip two to go out of control and than brake up. It remains yet to be found out what exactly cause that mishap.

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SpaceShipTwo broke up after tail feathers moved
By: Stephen Trimble, Washington DC
Source: Flightglobal.com, 16 hours ago

Virgin Galactic’s SpaceShipTwo telemetry data has offered a vital clue to investigators searching for the cause of the fatal 31 October crash while the wreckage appears to rule out an engine or fuel tank malfunction.

Nine seconds after the Scaled Composites spacecraft separated from mothership WhiteKnightTwo, co-pilot Mike Alsbury unlocked the tail feather deployment mechanism as SpaceShipTwo passed through Mach 1.0, says US National Transportation Safety Board chairman Christopher Hart, citing review of telemetry data and cockpit video.

Like the X-Prize-winning SpaceShipOne design, SpaceShipTwo deploys two aft-mounted feathers as the vehicle approaches the top of its climb into suborbital space. The deployed feathers are intended to enable a “carefree re-entry” attitude, automatically configuring the vehicle in a safe position during the most dangerous phase of the flight .SpaceShipOne founder Burt Rutan says he came up with the idea to reduce the workload on the pilot, after being present at Edwards AFB, California, in 1967 when X-15 pilot Michael Adams died during a botched re-entry from suborbital space.

On the fourth powered flight test of SpaceShipTwo, however, the tail features deployed well within the Earth’s atmosphere at a crucial stage of the vehicle’s ascent.

Alsbury was not supposed to unlock the tail feathers until the aircraft was in thinner air and passing through M1.4, but his action alone should not have been fatal.

The tail feathers are designed to deploy after two commands, Hart says. First, the co-pilot or pilot must unlock the tail feather, as Alsbury did. Secondly, Hart says, the crew must pull on the feather deployment lever to move the control surfaces into a different position.

Although no evidence reviewed so far indicates that either pilot moved the second lever, the tail feathers deployed anyway, Hart says.

Two seconds later, the composite-skinned SpaceShipTwo began to break-up at supersonic speed, he says. ...
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Looks like premature deployment of a re-entry aid caused the SpaceShip two to go out of control and than brake up. It remains yet to be found out what exactly cause that mishap.

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Looks to be according to the article, but wouldn't the system software would have told the crew when to deploy?:confused:
 

shen

Senior Member
Looks to be according to the article, but wouldn't the system software would have told the crew when to deploy?:confused:

my understanding is that Virgin SpaceShip is designed to be very simple. no computer flight control. rely entirely on skilled pilots. the idea is simple design less things to go wrong.
 

Scratch

Captain
Well, maybe, I guess?

The way I read the article, there is a procedure in place only to deploy upon re-entry for stabilization. It appears the Pilot or Copilot has already disengaged the safety for it during ascent. Perhaps to save a step later on, when several steps have to be completed in short time.

And here the question is if the crew did unintentionally already deploy them, or if a system malfunction caused the event. Because if the system, the locks holding the feathers in place for example malfunctions, then even a software telling the crew not to deploy wouldn't have safed anything.

I don't have any better answer right now myself.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
American crash investigators are focussing their probe on cockpit video showing test pilot prematurely releasing lock on “feathering” safety system designed to slow craft during re-entry to atmosphere

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Miragedriver

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Environment around GRB 020819B dark gamma-ray bursts based on ALMA observations. According to ESO, observations from the Atacama Large Millimeter / submillimeter Array (ALMA) have for the first time directly mapped out the molecular gas and dust in the host galaxies of gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) - the biggest explosions in the Universe. Gamma-ray bursts are intense bursts of extremely high energy observed in distant galaxies - the brightest explosive phenomenon in the Universe.
Picture: EPA/EUROPEAN SOUTHERN OBSERVATORY



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shen

Senior Member
I thought it was unusually and rather convenient to blame the dead pilot so early in the investigation. Seems there may be more to the story. If the engine had developed a problem early, the pilots may have release the locks on the feather to prepare for an emergency descent. Hope the truth will come out as the investigation continues.

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Space.com quotes witness Doug Messier, managing editor of Parabolicarc.com, as saying he saw the spacecraft's engine sputter when it first ignited after being released from the WhiteKnightTwo carrier aircraft.

"It looked like the engine didn't perform properly," Messier told Space.com. "Normally it would burn and it would burn for a certain period of time. It looked like it may have started and then stopped and then started again."
 

Miragedriver

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Visitors look at a prototype model of a Mars rover, which was designed and built in China, on display at the China International Industry Fair in Shanghai
Picture: REUTERS


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