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iewgnem

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In other news, Elon is taking a lot of heat for suggesting US should deviate from its 'Moon-to-Mars' plan.
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Well, he's certainly right about Artemis being a very inefficient architecture, but he's probably coming from wanting SLS money for himself and not the 20x Starship launch per 2 person visit.

Going straight to Mars is certainly a great way to lock in more money for longer and shed themselves of the baggage of having to get Starship HLS working in 2 years.
 
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Well, he's certainly right about Artemis being a very inefficient architecture, but he's probably coming from wanting SLS money for himself and not the 20x Starship launch per 2 person visit.

Going straight to Mars is certainly a great way to lock in more money for longer and shed themselves of the baggage of having to get Starship HLS working in 2 years.
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The Moon has far more strategic value than Mars, so much so that the DoD has deemed cislunar space a national security concern, as such there will be no national-level funding for large scale Mars projects before the industrialization of the Moon, especially when they see China start to utilize lunar resources. They won't give it up.

The problem has always been short-term vs. long-term goals. Administrations and Congress know they can’t rely on the years in office that it takes to create and manage sustainable programs so they opt for the shorter-term programs that will give them the “win” in the public eye that is needed to bolster their reelection efforts. American ingenuity and expertise in this area is the best in the world but is hamstrung by the shackles that political leadership has to deal with.
 
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The Moon has far more strategic value than Mars, so much so that the DoD has deemed cislunar space a national security concern, as such there will be no national-level funding for large scale Mars projects before the industrialization of the Moon, especially when they see China start to utilize lunar resources. They won't give it up.

The problem has always been short-term vs. long-term goals. Administrations and Congress know they can’t rely on the years in office that it takes to create and manage sustainable programs so they opt for the shorter-term programs that will give them the “win” in the public eye that is needed to bolster their reelection efforts. American ingenuity and expertise in this area is the best in the world but is hamstrung by the shackles that political leadership has to deal with.
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It's been 20 years since Constellation and 8 years since Artemis, there's nothing short term about American lunar attempts, at some point you have to use evidence to guide your capability assessment.
 
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Nelson brought up China again, this time regarding NASA's planned MSR, which will cost $5.8-7.1bn with a direct return option from 2035 -2039.

Nelson, dismissive of the “grab and go” Chinese plan that would grab samples accessible only at the landing site, rather than the science-driven NASA-led effort to collect samples specifically designed to provide insights in the habitability of Mars early in the planet’s history.

“They’re just going to have a mission to grab and go,” he said. “That does not give you the comprehensive look for the science community. So, you cannot compare the two missions.”
 
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Nelson brought up China again, this time regarding NASA's planned MSR, which will cost $5.8-7.1bn with a direct return option from 2035 -2039.

Nelson, dismissive of the “grab and go” Chinese plan that would grab samples accessible only at the landing site, rather than the science-driven NASA-led effort to collect samples specifically designed to provide insights in the habitability of Mars early in the planet’s history.

“They’re just going to have a mission to grab and go,” he said. “That does not give you the comprehensive look for the science community. So, you cannot compare the two missions.”
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the same guy begging China for the "grab-and-go" moon sample?
 
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“They’re just going to have a mission to grab and go,” he said. “That does not give you the comprehensive look for the science community. So, you cannot compare the two missions.”
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The chinese mission is also going to be drilling a 2 meter deep hole in order to get samples, so yeah, they really can't be compared. If there is any life on Mars, it's gonna be underground. It's basically pure cope to say that the chinese mission is just "grab and go" as if they were just picking up rocks from the surface. A sample of the regolith below the layer of "topsoil" will be insanely valuable.
 
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New Glenn is vertical ahead of first launch possibly this Sunday.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1877893388042662021

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1877790308517265811

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1877889479760859292

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1877836725835256233
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Unfortunately launch had to be scrubbed yesterday due to an issue, so now need to wait for next launch window. I think the want the launch phase of this rocket to be as successful as possible. Landing conditions need to be ideal as well, but not because rocket needs to land on first shot, but they probably want as much useful data from a failed landing attempt.
 
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