Mysterious Structures in Desert Near Dunhuang

RedMercury

Junior Member
The stupidity of this whole event is based on China paranoia. If these were spotted anywhere else it would just be curiosity and maybe a few people would be interested. Since it is China, it makes gizmodo and front page of reddit.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I quite enjoy reading web comments to this story where ever articles mention this. Love the ones that are crying out imminent Chinese invasion because it's quite clear those lines are an exact replica of the streets of a dozen cities each poster has mentioned. Such narcissism. I wonder when a GOP Presidential nominee will mention this in a debate.

Anybody ever see Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon? It was about an investigation of a murder but the story wasn't about the crime. It was actually about the character of the people who witnessed the crime and how they all had different interpretations of what happened.

If there is some engineering/industrial answer to this, you'd figure Gizmodo or Wired would know someone or could find someone that knows what it is. I suspect they could but chose not to because it wouldn't have all this attention. Then on the other hand, if no expert can explain, all of the sudden it's the end of the world. Why? Because of the cultural fear of the unknown of a people they paint as backward and primitive. When one is evil, they can be geniuses. But if you're not, you're intellectually incapable. Love that conundrum.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Believe it or not, someone from NASA has come out saying the markings are for spy satellite calibration comparing one from Arizona which just looks like a target symbol in the desert. He also said the structures line up in a square and circle are for surface radar testing but didn't seem to explain why these structure were damaged.
 

kyanges

Junior Member
I quite enjoy reading web comments to this story where ever articles mention this. Love the ones that are crying out imminent Chinese invasion because it's quite clear those lines are an exact replica of the streets of a dozen cities each poster has mentioned. Such narcissism. I wonder when a GOP Presidential nominee will mention this in a debate.

Anybody ever see Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon? It was about an investigation of a murder but the story wasn't about the crime. It was actually about the character of the people who witnessed the crime and how they all had different interpretations of what happened.

If there is some engineering/industrial answer to this, you'd figure Gizmodo or Wired would know someone or could find someone that knows what it is. I suspect they could but chose not to because it wouldn't have all this attention. Then on the other hand, if no expert can explain, all of the sudden it's the end of the world. Why? Because of the cultural fear of the unknown of a people they paint as backward and primitive. When one is evil, they can be geniuses. But if you're not, you're intellectually incapable. Love that conundrum.


I've been a reader of Gizmodo for a while, and it's mainly a light reading tech blog. The author of this particular article, Jesus Diaz has shown himself to be rather anti-China, and doesn't really present follow-ups on the Chinese related news he posts. So I wouldn't figure they would try and find anyone to get to the bottom of this story. Instead it'll go the same way other China related posts from him have gone. A lot of paranoia, hype, and then nothing.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Well I saw an article from the Wall Street Journal where some journalist saw this story as the final nail in the coffin and demands the US basically declare it's in a Cold War with China. All because of some painted lines in the desert.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Well I saw an article from the Wall Street Journal where some journalist saw this story as the final nail in the coffin and demands the US basically declare it's in a Cold War with China. All because of some painted lines in the desert.


Not All in the US (both citizens and government alike) are that paranoia. Those are just the Defense Departments annual rhetoric to drum up for more funding for expensive projects, instead of putting it into the VA (Veterans Administration).
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Well I saw an article from the Wall Street Journal where some journalist saw this story as the final nail in the coffin and demands the US basically declare it's in a Cold War with China. All because of some painted lines in the desert.
Oh God A new Cold war and we already have a Desert graffiti ( Geo glyph) shortage!
Oh I know Will Just Annex the Nazca plateau of the Peruvian Desert Lots of line more then they will ever need...
Talk about jumping the gun.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The New York Times is now in on it.

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November 18, 2011, 4:51 pm
Formations in China Desert Are Still a Mystery

By J. DAVID GOODMAN


Google MapsMysterious shapes seen on Google Maps in the Gobi Desert in China have raised questions online. The arrows above indicate the locations of three such shapes within about 20 miles.

In the areas of the Internet that buzz with delight at strange formations writ large on the landscape, a mystery appeared to be solved this week: giant shapes seen on Google Maps in China are simply geometric targets for satellite calibration.

Or are they?

The shapes, which include thick white lines drawn in sharp angles and structures arranged in concentric circles around airplanes, attracted attention earlier this month after they were first highlighted by the online magazine, Viewzone. That post includes a photo of one such formation, partially built, from 2003 and what appears to be a village nearby.

It was later picked up by Gizmodo, the technology blog, which posted several other images found by readers. The blog observed that the forms, some up to a mile long, “seem to be designed to be seen from orbit.”

Google MapsOne large shape seen in the Chinese desert. (Far right in the image at top.)

The massive forms in the Gobi Desert in western China appear to be several years old and previously attracted the attention of at least one blogger, who in March 2009 wrote: “There’s something screwy going on in western China.”

As far back as 2004, they seem to have drawn more than just casual interest, as Wired magazine’s Danger Room blog recently reported in a post after the formations came to light again this week. The post draws on data gathered by enabling a feature of Google Earth that shows the date and size of the satellite images stitched together to create a seamless image by the service. The fact that many images of the remote location were taken over time, beginning in 2004, suggests a costly interest on the part of an individual or organization.


As former CIA analyst Allen Thomson notes, turning on the DigitalGlobe coverage layer in Google Earth shows all the various times the imaging satellite has been asked to inspect that part of the desert. [Here’s a screenshot.] “Starting in 2004, somebody has ordered many, many satellite pictures of it,” Thomson tells Danger Room. “Can’t have been cheap.”

Google MapsRaised structures surround planes in concentric circles.

On Twitter-like social media sites in China, users shared links to articles in the Western press (China’s official media have not yet weighed in) and pet theories about what in the world they could be.

“If you like crop circles, Area 51 or UFOs in the United States, then you will love this,” one user of the popular Chinese microblog Sina Weibo wrote.

“In fact, as early as 2008, China’s major media reported on the shooting range in the northwestern desert state,” another stated, without elaborating, in a comment along with a reposted CNN video.

Amid the theories both in and out of China, the mystery seemed to find a mundane explanation on Thursday.

A site called Life’s Little Mysteries said the forms were “almost definitely used to calibrate China’s spy satellites,” citing comments in an interview with a research technician at the Mars Space Flight Facility at Arizona State University.

The satellite calibration theory was advanced by a blogger in 2008 to explain crop circles, which have also been the subject of fevered online speculation.

Google MapsMore formations in the China desert (these are the middle forms in the image at top). The shapes drew comparisons to well-known curiosities including crop circles and Area 51, a government site at the center of many extraterrestrial conspiracy theories.

But The Lede found that after consulting with independent and United States government satellite experts, the calibration theory may be incorrect.

“With calibration, you’re looking for precise measurement,” said Dwayne Day, a military space historian, in a telephone interview. “You have boxes that get smaller by a calculated amount. You don’t just throw stuff all over the place and then take a picture of it.”

He said that when calibration targets have been used by the United States and Russia, they are much smaller. “There’s no reason why you would build anything that big for a satellite calibration target,” he said.

Decades-old markings that are more likely candidates for satellite targets can still be seen on Google Maps in Arizona. A video of one of these markings, which resemble cross hairs, was posted by an amateur historian who said they were likely part of recently declassified American spy satellite programs from the 1960s and early 1970s. But that site too may have nothing to do with space or satellites, analysts said; they could be related to military aviation.

After an email inquiry by The Lede, the Union of Concerned Scientists, an industry watchdog and critic, said the China formations appeared to be conventional aerial and missile bombing targets. In the past, China has built large structures for bombing practice.

In short, the China sites remain a mystery — but not necessarily one with an out-of-this-world explanation.

“The thing that would make it really sexy is if there were fences around it — and I don’t see any,” Mr. Day, the historian, said, adding that a lack of security indicated a lack of strategic importance. “We don’t know what the heck it is, but there are probably two guys in China who could tell you what it is and you’d be bored silly.”
 

challenge

Banned Idiot
My speculation is that grid is consturcted to test and calibrate IMINT satelite resolution.just like going to optometrist to buy eyeglass or senior citizen getting there car liscense.
 
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