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B.I.B.

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The Hateful Eight was good. It is a dark comedy/mystery thriller, a pulp fiction homage to spaghetti westerns by Quentin Tarantino with a more honest yet cynical sensibility about that period of US history thrown in. If you enjoyed any of his other movies you will probably know what to expect and like the vibe of this one.

I quite enjoyed the movie, but not as much as Tarantino’s other films. Kurt Russell’s presence reminded me of John Carpenters horror film “The Thing” which he had a part in. This is based in the Antartic with several men confined to a hut during a blizzard I think with one amongst them not being what he claimed to be and just like the” Hateful Eight ”paranoia starts to develop in the group. Kurt Russell also played a similar role in “The Thing”with his involvement in winding out the guide rope
 

ABC78

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Unfair to blame Hollywood racism on China

Unfair to blame Hollywood racism on China

By Shing Tak Wong Source:Global Times Published: 2016-1-31 21:38:01

Bill Maher, an American TV host, recently came up with an explanation for Hollywood's lack of diversity.

On a recent episode of his HBO show Real Time, Maher talked about a "dirty little secret," saying "most movies are made now with an eye to the foreign market, and Asians really are racist." He also said the Chinese don't want to see black people generally in their movies, but the Hollywood executives are, according to Maher, "'We're not racist, we just have to pretend to be racists because we're capitalists. We want to sell our movies in China (and) they don't like Kevin Hart.'"

Maher's remarks were immediately rejected by his other panelists. US House of Representative Alan Grayson half-jokingly shot back, "you just said they're racist, that makes you racist."

Let's go through the reasons why Maher's revelation of this dirty little secret was absurd.

Starting with the most obvious point, Hollywood had diversity issues long before China's film market became influential.

Minorities, especially Asians, in the US struggle to get roles with any depth or characters with any meaning. Stereotypes and typecasting abound. The lead roles are generally taken by white males, with female minorities as love interests and male minorities as supporting sidekicks.

Now it is true that some movies have tried to cater to the Chinese audience, but most of the films nominated for Oscars didn't.

Also we've seen what such catering looks like already.

It is releasing a Chinese version, having a couple of scenes set in China or some dialogue from a Chinese performer.

The catering was never about removing or limiting black people or any other minority.

If the Chinese audience is so influential, where are all the Chinese actors getting lead roles in Hollywood?

Say someone gives Maher the benefit of the doubt. Let's assume Maher was misunderstood.

Perhaps he meant, China's influence makes the problem worse rather than being the sole cause.

He was still trying to portray Hollywood as something that it wasn't. Earlier in the video Maher goes on about how "liberal" Hollywood is and how some people voted for 12 Years a Slave without seeing it.

Regardless of what he meant, what he actually did suggested that Hollywood has no problems and then pointed the finger at "racist Asians" and China.

That is a disingenuous diversion of the topic. It makes no sense to say there is racism in China and therefore Maher was right about diversity in the Oscars and Hollywood.

The truth is, none of this is surprising. China gets blamed in the West for all kinds of things.

Before this, also involving Hollywood was the infamous Star Wars poster. The poster in China, where black actor John Boyega's character was shrunk, was apparently also China's fault and another sign of Chinese being racist.

Anybody with a shred of common sense could tell you that white executives at Disney are in control of the Star Wars franchise and they decide how to promote the film. Even if they assumed some kind of benefit in shrinking the character, they are still the ones who did it.

Any normal sense of responsibility goes out the window when it comes to China and the poster example is now being used as "evidence" that Maher was right.

Beyond Hollywood you see similar China bashing in US election rhetoric.

Hollywood has systemic problems when it comes to minorities (particularly the roles Asians get, and don't) and attempts to shift the blame to "racist Asians" must be rejected.
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siegecrossbow

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Unfair to blame Hollywood racism on China


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That's because if they have too many Oriental males in leading, non-stereotypical roles they risk losing the domestic audience, which constitutes a significantly larger portion of the box office return. Movie studios only rely on the China market to either puff up the overall International Box Office number (Iron Man 3 or save a movie that failed domestically (Terminator Genysis).
 

Equation

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That's because if they have too many Oriental males in leading, non-stereotypical roles they risk losing the domestic audience, which constitutes a significantly larger portion of the box office return. Movie studios only rely on the China market to either puff up the overall International Box Office number (Iron Man 3 or save a movie that failed domestically (Terminator Genysis).

True, but the Chinese box office will soon become the biggest in the world. It would be prudence for Hollywood to cater to a larger Chinese audience business wise or else risk losing profits. It will be a continuing balance that from now on for Hollywood and other film makers to juggle the growing Chinese audience demand along with the needs of the domestic audiences.
 

siegecrossbow

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True, but the Chinese box office will soon become the biggest in the world. It would be prudence for Hollywood to cater to a larger Chinese audience business wise or else risk losing profits. It will be a continuing balance that from now on for Hollywood and other film makers to juggle the growing Chinese audience demand along with the needs of the domestic audiences.

In the end it all boils down to numbers though. China currently only allows Hollywood to take 15-20% of the cut. Unless the Chinese box office is four to five times bigger than the domestic one, domestic considerations will still take precedence.
 

AssassinsMace

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Hollywood's cut is 25% from the Chinese box office for their movies unless it gets co-production status which then it rises to 50%. That's a rarity. I believe Kung Fu Panda 3 got co-production status.

It pretty much comes down to cultural differences to why you will never see a lot of Asians in Hollywood movies especially in prominent roles despite how much money is made from Asia. You might see in the future Hollywood involved in Asia only movies but not international audience movies. Hollywood is a propaganda machine first and foremost. It promotes Western culture. Earlier I wrote about the industry of celebrity. A lot of people in Hollywood depend on their actor they work for to be successful because they make money from that. They don't make money from the competition especially someone from a non-English speaking country. These people will naturally whether intentional or not work against people they can never make money from because they're culturally different and don't know how to market them.

Then on the other end Asian actors culturally are not like Western English speaking actors. Hero characters in Hollywood movies are individualistic and are usually acting against the mainstream of society. That's what makes them stand out. Those are cultural taboos in a lot of Asian countries. It's okay for a Westerner to be individualistic but portraying a Chinese actor to be individualistic going against the grain... Hollywood is not going to make a movie where an Asian character alone goes against Western society nor will they make one where an Asian goes against Asian society because both of their respective cultures wouldn't like that.
 

B.I.B.

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I wonder if the international best selling novel “Shogun” and the TV mini series based on the book would have been as successful or more if it happened in 2016? In my father’s opinion the TV series aimed at a Western audience, gave a lot of exposure for Asian actors.

OT Many Asians, primarily Chinese achieve excellence in playing Western musical instruments and classical music and have a central role in those countries orchestras. How come they haven’t been able to make the same break through with rock bands and pop music.
 

siegecrossbow

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I wonder if the international best selling novel “Shogun” and the TV mini series based on the book would have been as successful or more if it happened in 2016? In my father’s opinion the TV series aimed at a Western audience, gave a lot of exposure for Asian actors.

OT Many Asians, primarily Chinese achieve excellence in playing Western musical instruments and classical music and have a central role in those countries orchestras. How come they haven’t been able to make the same break through with rock bands and pop music.

Many of them got into orchestras and bands because their parents forced them at an early age so that their college applications would look better. Unfortunately, their "hobby" became a career, much to their parents' chagrin.
 
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