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CMP

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Another one goes to dust before even starting its operation.
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Ltd. announced that it had halted construction on its half-finished rare earth processing facility in Saskatoon, after its costs rose substantially in recent years.
Can China keep costs down long enough to wipe out these companies that threaten its rare earths domination?
 

Helius

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I am sure there are choppers with external tanks that can achieve longer ranges but its about confidence of utilizing it in such way minimum 3 at time outside well established zone of support. 2600km (1600mile) is not small effort when done continuously without longer break on the ground.

I amended the post as I misread that as 1600 'km'. Still, even the Super Frelon which the Z-8 is based on has a longer combat radius than the Chinook which is actually waaay less than 1600 miles -

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Range: 1,020 km (630 mi, 550 nmi)
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Range: 400 nmi (460 mi, 740 km)

To get to 1600 miles I assume they were utilising internally-mounted fuel tanks to achieve that range. Were a Z-8 to have a similar config it's safe to assume it'd be just as able to achieve a similar ferry range if not longer.
Well China already has that if that's what you're hinting at. The Z-8 has quite a long range of 1000km i.e. 2000km round trip.

Also 1600 miles seems a bit much for the CH-47 -

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pmc

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I amended the post as I misread that as 1600 'km'. Still, even the Super Frelon which the Z-8 is based on has a longer combat radius than the Chinook which is actually waaay less than 1600 miles -

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To get to 1600 miles I assume they were utilising internally-mounted fuel tanks to achieve that range. Were a Z-8 to have a similar config it's safe to assume it'd be just as able to achieve a similar ferry range if not longer.
The point i am making is American must be trained for such missions that they did with 3 choppers. while Europeans what ever they have cannot do it. The rest are just theoretical numbers without specifying loads, flight altitude, time on ground, running aircon on ground as this Africa. and who knows whether these are generic CH-47 or some special created for this long range purpose.
I have seen 4 External tanks Mil helicopter in Ukraine conflict which is not normal or Mi-38 that is considered long range with 5 ton carrying to 1000km or VIP version beyond that can also deal with heat and distances near equator (+60 degree).
see the Arabs in Mi-38 TV set. they get feedback from there as only they have the wealth and will to use Western systems to the limit.
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Helius

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The point i am making is American must be trained for such missions that they did with 3 choppers. while Europeans what ever they have cannot do it. The rest are just theoretical numbers without specifying loads, flight altitude, time on ground, running aircon on ground as this Africa. and who knows whether these are generic CH-47 or some special created for this long range purpose.
I have seen 4 External tanks Mil helicopter in Ukraine conflict which is not normal or Mi-38 that is considered long range with 5 ton carrying to 1000km or VIP version beyond that can also deal with heat and distances near equator (+60 degree).
see the Arabs in Mi-38 TV set. they get feedback from there as only they have the wealth and will to use Western systems to the limit.
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Sure. As I was also saying, as long range helicopters go China isn't devoid of options that are already in active PLA service either.
 

pmc

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Sure. As I was also saying, as long range helicopters go China isn't devoid of options that are already in active PLA service either.
These are theoretical numbers unless there is proof of training for such missions like pilots sitting in helicopter cockpit for 12 to 15 hours. helicopters have full protection suites for such missions and above reliability of dealing with Africa and Middleast. American choppers both military and civilian versions are all over there.
 

BoraTas

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Right move. There's 15 former Soviet States, not only was his viewpoint just straight up false, China would gain absolutely nothing making a statement like that. Yes, some former Soviet States are 100% aligned with the West now but there are plenty in Central Asia that AREN'T Western aligned that literally border China that you risk damaging relations with.
Actually it is not false. There are no treaties defining the borders of post-Soviet states. SU's SSRs declared their independences and SSR's borders became international borders. But I agree it is not a good idea to talk about it. By all means those borders are legitimate.
 

sheogorath

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Considering the decision of the dissolution of the USSR was of questionable legality in the first place, just like the annexation of East Germany by the West.

But too long has passed and all of it is a de facto reality, so it isn't of much of use to bring it up, other than to piss of the Baltics which shouldn't be taken seriously anyway.
 
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