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birdlikefood

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TK3600 said:
Iran is going to go nuclear if that happens. There is also possibility of Pakistan issue nuclear umbrella at permission of Russia and China. In a nuclear exchange Israel has no strategic depth to handle a war on all of middle east. One is vast and covered by mountain one is a tiny plain with concentrated population.
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The discussion becomes dire when nuclear weapons are involved.

Therefore, no matter from the current real interests or the long-term perspective of 30-50 years, the "two-state solution" is one of the few possible solutions under many constraints.

Israel cannot afford a nuclear war. A moderately large nuclear strike (50-200 warheads) could literally wipe Israel from the world.

But for Pakistan, Iran, countries with large populations, vast depths and mountainous areas, their people and even their governments have a high survival rate after being attacked by nuclear weapons.
 
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ansy1968

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luminary said:
Lula and Macron's blatantly anti-hegemonic public statements are a serious one-two punch to the myth of EU unity, the US scaremongering attempt at grouping China and Russia together ("China is the next Russia"), and the entire Biden "democracy vs autocracy" racket.

After Macron bit the multipolar bullet, Lula likely saw a golden opportunity to take an even stronger stance while dodging Western backlash while EU was preoccupied with "scolding" Macron. EU President went to Macron's aid and China reapproachment now seems to reflect the sentiment of a silent majority (at least of business elites) in Western Europe.

It's great timing, since the US propaganda arm cannot even blame it on the failings of a single "weak-willed" leader, since France and Brazil are at opposite ends of the world, and both "US-approved" liberal democracy countries with bad to lukewarm relations with Russia— completely at odds with existing narratives and inviting more of the US's erratic, self-harming mental gymnastics.

The only way I can imagine to even further break this narrative would be China getting an outright endorsement from either Zelensky ("the Defender of Democracy" LOL), subtly changing the security equation for Eastern Europe, or Israel (being the US's closest "ally"), addressing one of the US's biggest messes and politically evicting it from West Asia.
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Great analysis bro, now we know the reason why the Collective West MSM is sprouting Anti China narratives and threat....lol The common people had seen the light and guess who is lying....lol

China best strategy is just ignore the US and focus on individual EU states, SK and Japan can easily be countered by NK and Russia, Australia is American junior alter ego so don't need any attention for such a Chihuahua. :p
 
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henrik

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ansy1968 said:
Great analysis bro, now we know the reason why the Collective West MSM is sprouting Anti China narratives and threat....lol The common people had seen the light and guess who is lying....lol

China best strategy is just ignore the US and focus on individual EU states, SK and Japan can easily be countered by NK and Russia, Australia is American junior alter ego so don't need any attention for such a Chihuahua. :p
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But the Aussies are getting nuclear subs soon.
 
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ansy1968

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horse said:
Just have the Foreign Ministry phone Israel, then phone all the Arab countries, and arrange a meeting to discuss peace.

Shit, like, you know what brother ansy1968, President Xi Jinping deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, like for real. He should reject that. Do not want to be associated with that Obama character.

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Obama - Change we Believed in. Circa 2008. :rolleyes:

Xi - Yes I can!!!! circa 2023.:p
 
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luminary said:
Lula and Macron's blatantly anti-hegemonic public statements are a serious one-two punch to the myth of EU unity, the US scaremongering attempt at grouping China and Russia together ("China is the next Russia"), and the entire Biden "democracy vs autocracy" racket.

After Macron bit the multipolar bullet, Lula likely saw a golden opportunity to take an even stronger stance while dodging Western backlash while EU was preoccupied with "scolding" Macron. EU President went to Macron's aid and China reapproachment now seems to reflect the sentiment of a silent majority (at least of business elites) in Western Europe.

It's great timing, since the US propaganda arm cannot even blame it on the failings of a single "weak-willed" leader, since France and Brazil are at opposite ends of the world, and both "US-approved" liberal democracy countries with bad to lukewarm relations with Russia— completely at odds with existing narratives and inviting more of the US's erratic, self-harming mental gymnastics.

The only way I can imagine to even further break this narrative would be China getting an outright endorsement from either Zelensky ("the Defender of Democracy" LOL), subtly changing the security equation for Eastern Europe, or Israel (being the US's closest "ally"), addressing one of the US's biggest messes and politically evicting it from West Asia.
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The media has been pretty quiet on this so I think it's worth bringing this up again.
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Most importantly, I say this because this relationship is too important for us not to define our own European strategy and principles for engagement with China. I believe we can – and we must – carve out our own distinct European approach that also leaves space for us to cooperate with other partners, too. And the starting point for this is the need to have a shared and very clear-eyed picture of the risks and the opportunities in our engagement with China.
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After nine days away from twitter and contemplating she came up with this. Of course she also has to add the usual blah blah human rights, blah blah Xinjiang, blah blah Taiwan status quo (although she did also say EU must uphold One China policy). Nevertheless it does real like a vote for Macron's call for Europe independence away from US which I doubt Washington is happy with.

And now we also have this:
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Remember a while ago I said this about the possible location of the peace treaty to end the Ukraine war:

"Thus another country may have the honor of hosting this event. We have one past example already where it took place in Minsk but given Belarus is now a lot closer to Russia I doubt Minsk is acceptable anymore. Early in the war Ankara was used as the location and it could still be the case in the future, alternatively what if Xi suggests to everyone to do this in Paris?"

It's looking more likely right? If the 2023 Paris Peace Accord is signed with photo of Putin and Zelensky standing to either side of Macron, what will the history books say about him?
 
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emblem21

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henrik said:
But the Aussies are getting nuclear subs soon.
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No they won’t, when the USA goes bye bye, no nuclear subs for Australia (who thinks that the USA will last beyond 5 years when those subs will take two decades to make them all, meaning no need to pay 230 billion for useless crap and can use that money to do other more productive things instead. The best result would be a return to the Whitlam years where Australia had some logic and has a better preference for being neutral which I do believe could happen on day (before the entire USA interference with that UK governor general which made me hate the UK with a passion), provided that the USA hurry but and collapse already, although with the dollar being in such danger as it is, it might not be too far away

 
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Virtup

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Rafi said:
Pakistan is not super fundamentalist, it has a very vocal minority, but the religious parties have never been able to win more than 10% of the national vote in any election.

A majority of people are religious or conservative with a growing group of secular people.
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I guess I misjudged them. They seemed extremely hardcore compared to Arab nations especially during the protests about the frensh ambassador comment. My apologies. Still, I think Pakistan promotes itself as a bastion of Islam (plz correct if I'm wrong), so it'll probably still have to act if Israel touches any of the redlines I mentionned before.
 
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