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Chevalier

Chevalier

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Someone is losing
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648711845887508480

Anglo mouthpiece two years ago:
America is most effective when we work with our allies,” Raimondo said. “If we really want to slow down China’s rate of innovation, we need to work with Europe.”

“They’re ripping off our IP, they are not playing by the rules,” Raimondo added. “It’s not a level playing field. And so we need to hold their feet to the fire to make sure that they do that,” she said, adding that Beijing is “not living up to the agreements that they made.”
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Anglo mouthpiece now:
“It is important for the U.S. to be clear [that] we do not seek to decouple from China or seek to limit China’s growth in any way,” Jay Shambaugh, Treasury’s undersecretary for international affairs,
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Whatever happened to “holding china’s feet to the fire”?
(also what is it with dungeon porn fantasies in the Beltway?)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648782446458970113

What the hell, annalena? Were you expecting to find a husband on this trip? Chinese men generally don’t go for shengnu, least of all agents of white supremacy.
 
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Overbom

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taxiya said:
you are not answering the question "what happens afterwards?" You are basically kicking the can down the road hopping the Arabs to give up and other countries to ignore.
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I don't know why you think the Arab countries (leadership from a strategic POV) have such a hard on against Israel nowdays. This is not the 1980s anymore.

I think you place too much importance into religious ties when recent events have clearly shown that Arab leadership couldn't give two shits about it when it doesnt suit them.

Iran huffed and puffed for a bit, and the Arabs dropped Palestine like a radioactive material to get benefits from Israel with Abraham Accords. That's your "brotherhood" and "friendship" right there
 
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taxiya

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Overbom said:
I don't know why you think the Arab countries (leadership from a strategic POV) have such a hard on against Israel nowdays. This is not the 1980s anymore.
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why do you think the Jews were so hard to rebuild their state after thousands years and Jews did even have a leadership for those years?;) Are they all humans having the same desires?

You seem to calculate human as machines and numbers without desire and emotion.
 
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Overbom

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taxiya said:
why do you think the Jews were so hard to rebuild their state after thousands years and Jews did even have a leadership for those years?;) Are they all humans having the same desires?
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Strategic diplomacy isn't the same thousands of years ago as it is today. That should be obvious enough

taxiya said:
You seem to calculate human as machines and numbers without desire and emotion.
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I am just calculating the most realistic actions for each country. For example, do you imagine MBS going to a sudden powertrip and going against Israel unprovoked?

Countries are ruled by humans, so human emotions are of course involved. But we are talking about strategic actions here, not meaningless statements. Strategic decisions are performed by the deep state / national security establishment of each country.

I honestly can't see the national security establishment of a strategically mature country to make such a strange decision. Of course noone could be certain, I am just saying its unlikely.

Until 2040 Israel should be safe enough IMO, and after that, Palestine would be weakened to such a degree that Israel could take a step "back", give face to the Arabs, and agree to a deal with Palestine
 
TK3600

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taxiya said:
You are assuming that everything Israel did and has been doing so far is due to Israel being invincible. It is not, it is actually the US enabling. You are also assuming that US empire will last forever, and there is never a day when US is too weak to bother what happens to Israel.

The Israelis are far less confident than you. Therefor Israel has been trying to find backups since its establishment, be it EU or China or even Russia. Just tell you one thing about Israel. Israel recognized PRC on January 9th 1950 being the first country in the region, well before US and many European countries. Funny enough, ROC recognized Israel on March 1st 1949, but Israel turned that down even though PRC is not established yet. That explains how much security guarantee that Israel want, or how much trust they have on US (far from enough).

It would be stupid for any Israeli politician not preparing a place and compromise for the post-US world order in exchange for Arab's compromise and a new guarantor. The only able guarantor after US is China and China disagree with Israel's occupation of west bank. So China isn't going to stop Arabs in fighting for west bank or Syrians to fight for Golan height at the least.

I have twice asked Jewish people (Israeli and ethnic Jew) the questions "do you think US will be there for Israel forever? why not make a good deal when you still have the upper hand?". There was no answer but the expression of "what can we do?"
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If it is true Israel is looking for alternative backers such as China, then what does Israel offer to China and what sort of settlement are they looking for? If it is merely existing as originally proposed 2 states then it is fairly obtainable. However Israel still has the upper hand in some areas and they likely want something more favorable. The more favorable to Israel the less Muslim world will get. China need to balance the interest of both party based on China's own interest. What would be a realistic settlement China can give to Israel?
 
supercat

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Overbom said:
Extremely spicy. Bring it on
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648494063082151936
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It's not a good sign that US politicians role-play war games like kids play with fire.

Overbom said:
Hitlerisque parallels
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648324803051282432

Surely its time to mark these Chinese students? They are all spies
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We need to talk about how the US spies on its own people and the UN.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648633948304736317
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yjl11 said:
The management needs to be held accountable with the slow reaction!

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Female Chinese diaspora reporters are the worst.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648637821903851520

Why there was an anti-America coup in Iran in 1979:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648728741542264833
 
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taxiya

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TK3600 said:
If it is true Israel is looking for alternative backers such as China, then what does Israel offer to China and what sort of settlement are they looking for? If it is merely existing as originally proposed 2 states then it is fairly obtainable. However Israel still has the upper hand in some areas and they likely want something more favorable. The more favorable to Israel the less Muslim world will get. China need to balance the interest of both party based on China's own interest. What would be a realistic settlement China can give to Israel?
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China's basic position is the two state solution and UN partitioned boundary. China would not propose more details than that on principle level. On this level it is up to the Arabs to convince Israel by force if necessary. I think staying on the principle and not giving specifics is the way China balance it, it is actually the competing parties balancing each other.

The two states solution is NOT possible with US presence. US and its Jewish lobby group gives many Israelis the impression that Israel can grab and hold on for ever. With this impression in mind, the hardcore Israelis will never see the need for a two state solution.

Very important to remember is that China will not present a deal what who can get. It is similar to China's position on Ukrainian crisis or SA-Iran negotiation.
 
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Virtup

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Overbom said:
Strategic diplomacy isn't the same thousands of years ago as it is today. That should be obvious enough


I am just calculating the most realistic actions for each country. For example, do you imagine MBS going to a sudden powertrip and going against Israel unprovoked?

Countries are ruled by humans, so human emotions are of course involved. But we are talking about strategic actions here, not meaningless statements. Strategic decisions are performed by the deep state / national security establishment of each country.

I honestly can't see the national security establishment of a strategically mature country to make such a strange decision. Of course noone could be certain, I am just saying its unlikely.

Until 2040 Israel should be safe enough IMO, and after that, Palestine would be weakened to such a degree that Israel could take a step "back", give face to the Arabs, and agree to a deal with Palestine
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You still don't understand. When it comes to things that involve massive doses of emotions like religion, strategy goes out the window. Here's an example, what happened in Pakistan when a frensh ambassador said something offensive about prophet Mohammed? The country was quickly destaibilized, with massive riots everywhere, and the public forced a response from leadership that wasn't strategically sound. Second example, what is the basis for BJP's rule in India? and what kind of effect did that have on their "strategic" choices (especially when it comes to China)? Why is a big chunk of their population inhaling a large dose of copium? Think about it?
Deep state/ national security stands no chance in front of an angry, dogmatic mob. And while you refuse to acknowledge this fact, statesmen do (the decent ones anyway). It's the reason someone like Trump managed to become president (to a lesser degree), and it will most likely be the reason of the US's collapse.
 
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