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The calibre of individuals that make up the Anglo American gestapo
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B.I.B. said:
Interesting but Austria is a EU member and not in NATO and Turkeys a NATO member , but cant get into the EU.
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Shifting course for Austria as my refuge from conscription in Australia, now that Finland is going to become the new Ukraine.
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Here comes the pain.
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It also encourages European factories that were supposed to move to the US as per american plans, to re-direct operations to China to access rare earths and other materials at cost.
MortyandRick said:
please don't insult solmalia. What did they ever do to you?
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My apologies, i should have said DRC- Congo- due to the
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of HIV and Bantu idolatry in the form of the co-religion of LGBT: BLM.
MarKoz81 said:
Oh dear... this again?


1. Accession to NATO of Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania

The right of those nations to join NATO was settled on 21 November of 1990.

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Meeting of the Heads of State or Government of the participating States of the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe (CSCE):
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Cyprus, Czech and Slovak Federal Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy -European Community, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, United Kingdom, United States of America and Yugoslavia

Paris, 19 - 21 November 1990

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As i understand it, Russia only acquiesced to seeing the Warsaw Pact being subsumed into NATO with the expectation that it could also join NATO as an equal partner.
TK3600 said:
There are plenty of unhinged politicians against China but Pompeo got sanctioned among all of them. What made him special?
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I can only imagine some black bag ops that were carried out under his orders such as the possible theoretical release of COVID as a bioweapon against China in 2019, the possible assassination of Chinese ambassador to Israel, but overall i think it's likely that sneering, sadistic tone and attitude he'd express during press meeting when announcing new sanctions against 'Chinese Communist Party' members.

Psychologically, someone like Pompeo loves chaos so had the MSS responded in kind, he and the CIA would have loved it, thinking of themselves as being in James Bond movies. No, the MSS was smart and so the sanctions against Pompeo and his family will impoverish him and his family and in the end, confer upon him his greatest fear: Irrelevance.

US companies that are, as we speak, opening more factories in China and increasing their footprint in China are not going to compromise all of that to pay a sweetheart executive position to Pompeo, not for him nor his shit kids. Secondary companies outside the US are not going to compromise their access to china for the same thing either, and i imagine once the SCO and BRICS becomes China's exclusive major free trade zone, Pompeo's kids are gonna have to fake their own deaths just to get a decent chance at life.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
Just not strong enough until bombs and troops starts pouring into Taiwan with American ships become a smoldering wreckage sinking into the South China Sea.

I agree with the premise of your argument as much as I loathed it but I do see the logic of what you have said regarding China's goal and constraints with respect to China's aims and objectives vis-a-vis vis Taiwan which is to prolong or hold off on the armed reunification for as long as possible while building up its huge military to create not only deterrence against America and its allies but also to compel and create an impossible and inevitable scenario for the Taiwanese separatists that Independence is a lost cause.

America's and Europe's goal are to keep on needling China's red line until all the red lines all but vanished and goad China in untenable position where the only viable option is for China to activate armed reunification no different to the Russian decision to invade Ukraine circa 2022. All fine and dandy since the American and western prognostication is that the outcome of such a war with China will favor the west judging from the way and perceived Russian ineptitude and incompetence in their war against Ukraine without direct U.S. involvement, a war with China over Taiwan that guarantees US allied direct participation gives the impression that China despite it's fast pace military development, procurement, and the manpower it possess is nothing but a paper tiger with anemic or next to nothing experience compared to the supposed decades and institutional advantages US military possess.

Such arrogant assumptions and gross underestimation of China's military not to mention it's MORALE AND WILL TO PREVENT THE REPEAT OF 100 YEARS OF HUMILIATION along with all of civilization struggle against U.S. led alliance and Taiwan are factors that no American idiots have taken to fully understand or appreciate. The American way of war will have to be upended and must be revised if it stupidly assumes that a war over Taiwan is going to be limited to within China's periphery.
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You are wrong. There is truly nothing to be gained from someone that has 0 knowledge of current affairs and either knowingly or unknowingly peddles extreme Washington propaganda for concern trolling.

You are also wrong about a war in Asia. The equivalent of invading Ukraine would be China invading Japan. They'll just never do that, because while Putin has a mission to hold down and distract the west, China doesn't.

Instead, China just needs to hold the current borders and foil American attempts at doing their own equivalent of the Ukraine invasion using Chinese separatists.

US more or less bet their future as a great power on being able to pull off this annexation.

Bloodless annexation crimea style is off the table because even something simple as meeting rebel leaders causes military encirclement that US is unable to respond against force to force. So the only option for America is to give up or outright invasion.

Morale will play a factor because Chinese soldiers are fighting for their homes while US soldiers are thousands of kms away and unlike Russian soldiers, they don't even have the excuse of fighting for their ethnic buddies. But morale will not be the main reason China wins, it will be the difference in economic and industrial size as well as geography.
 
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B.I.B. said:
U.S Colonel MacGregor who is a frequent commentator about the Ukraine war on youtube and most of the time I agree and respect his comments in the subject, raised my eyebrows while acknowledging that China had the upper hand in a land war, in naval matters the PLAN was too scared to sail too far out of home waters in a combat situation because their ships/subs weren't that good and the men were undertrained.
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Tldr US opinions on invading China are basically:

"haha the Russians are so retarded, they thought they could take Kiev in 3 days and all the Ukrainian soldiers would just surrender."

"we will take Taiwan in 3 days and all the Chinese soldiers besides the ones in the ETC won't bother fighting us."

Recipe for a lot of Americans buried at sea
 
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Tse said:
Here is the Feb 9, 1990

Memorandum of conversation between Mikhail Gorbachev and James Baker in Moscow​

from the U.S. Department of State, FOIA 199504567 (National Security Archive Flashpoints Collection, Box 38)

Baker tells Gorbachev: “The President and I have made clear that we seek no unilateral advantage in this process” of inevitable German unification. Baker goes on to say, “We understand the need for assurances to the countries in the East. If we maintain a presence in a Germany that is a part of NATO, there would be no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east.”

What's up with all these Natoids coming around the forum lately? Never seen a group of people so proud to be living as protectorates
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Wow, less than a year before breaking that verbal promise. As some Americans like to point out often, should've gotten it in writing (as a binding treaty).
 
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tamsen_ikard said:
Restraint becomes kind of a weakness when it's so beneficial for to be restrained. Then it becomes a handcuff that prevents you from taking action against provocation because you keep thinking, not yet, I need to hold on until I am stronger and my position is more favorable. China's biggest advantage is that it is so intelligent, restrained and thinks long term. But it is also its biggest weakness because everyone thinks they are too afraid to take costly actions.

If China was as unhinged as US for example, they would have banned all rare earth export to any country that bans Chip exports. That would have crippled Chip industry of US and Taiwan. It would have been such a huge action that whole world would have taken notice. It also would have deterred US to pursue more Chip sanctions.

What has China banned in response to all the Huawei bans in Europe and Australia? Did they ban Apple and German cars for example? For being a potential spy tool?

They have been extremely restrained because they cannot take these actions without huge costs to its own economy. and there is a fundamental difference between what US and the west wants and what China wants.

China's goal is to get richer and stronger, not to bring US down. But for US, they are already rich, they are already on top. They just want to bring China down. So, they can take actions that is costly for their economy, hoping that it will cost China more and maybe cause a collapse.

This is the fundamental difference between China and the USSR. China wants its own rise, USSR wanted to bring US down.

This is all very good and intelligent from China. But it is also a weakness in the Taiwan scenario. Because Taiwan and US can keep on Salami slicing all they want and China cannot take strong action without causing problems to their long term goal.



There is a difference between what is called a success for DPP vs what is a success for China. The Taiwan independence battle is battle of recognition. Taiwan is already de-facto separate from the mainland. But what Taiwan independence crowd really hated was that the west didn't interact with Taiwan on a political level. They wanted recognition from US and the west as a country.

Now they are kind of getting it. Not overtly, but bit by bit. slowly. Now politicians and ministers from western countries are visiting Taiwan as if it is a country. These ministers and official meet Tsai as if She is a president of a country. That is the recognition they seek.

When Tsai gets to visit the US or talk to US leaders, that's a win for them. When Lithuania opens a "Taiwan Representative Office", that'a huge win for them. Cause what is the difference between a "Taiwan representative office" vs a "taiwan embassy"? Very little.

Slowly but surely Taiwan is moving towards de-facto recognition of Taiwan Independence. They will not declare independence but they dont need to if presidents and leaders from US and the west openly visits Taiwan, Taiwan gets to open these representative offices and gets to openly participate in sports as "Taiwan".

They want to become independent without declaring independence. And currently they are succeeding towards moving to that goal step by step.

But China's goal is much harder. They have to actually takeover Taiwan physically. That's a much harder goal than the simple recognition game. So, China hasn't made any progress in their goal while Taiwan has been making a lot of progress in their goal.
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What use is an embassy if you're blockaded and/or exports are blacklisted? You have on one hand an intangible 'win' vs a very tangible, immediately impactful loss.

If China was as unhinged as US for example, they would have banned all rare earth export to any country that bans Chip exports. That would have crippled Chip industry of US and Taiwan. It would have been such a huge action that whole world would have taken notice. It also would have deterred US to pursue more Chip sanctions.
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You've already answered your question - throwing a fit and overresponding to a provocation and scaring away all potential third party partners, crippling yourself for the foreseeable future.

The western way of just reacting to provocations without a plan is a recipe for disaster, as can be seen with EU sanctions on Russia, US actions against China, etc.
 
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tamsen_ikard said:
Flying beyond the median line does nothing to actually meaningfully defeat Taiwan independence, or promote reunification. Its still international waters according to global norms. If they were really dominant, they will be flying over Taiwan just like Israel flies and Bombs whatever country they want in the middle-east.

Even India had the guts to fire missiles into Pakistan saying they hit "terrorist camps". China doesn't have the guts to hit "Taiwan Independence camps" for example. And they have good reason not to. Because, again, its beneficial for them to keep the tension low and focus on increasing China's GDP and military power.
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NATO should just missile strike Russia now, and make it Moscow. Cos they've got guts
 
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