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sndef888

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Just to temper expectations a bit, I think Lula has toned down a lot on socialist rhetoric in recent years and has also made a lot of statements indicating he's going to be friendly with the west, while avoiding talking about other socialist countries or things like BRI. During his campaign he even repeated western propaganda that China was occupying Brazil.

Not to mention Bolsonaro's allies controls Brazil's congress

So I don't think there's going to be some socialist revolution here
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
China is as competitive as you want it to be. immigrants disproportionately come from the educated class, and among that class, yes, its competitive because of gaokao. But educated people aren't all there are in China. tons of streamers, artists, blue collar workers, etc. who never went to college or fucked around in 3rd tier college, up to and including the CEO of Luxshare who doesn't have a degree (except an executive MBA gotten after she was CEO).

Semiconductor equipment install engineer: 7-12k RMB per month, associates degree, Nanjing and Chengdu

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Semiconductor fab production technician: 5-7k RMB per month, trade school (below high school), Wuhan

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That's wage > GDP per capita outside tier 1 cities. It's like an associates degree making 60k+ USD in the US in Dallas or Cleveland - very very rare especially as an Asian.

In the US, Asians have to be as educated as possible. You can't just work a blue collar job.
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You can apply that logic to the US too. You certainly can just work a blue collar job. In fact, many wealthy Chinese immigrants do just that after putting their saving into their family home.
 
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solarz said:
You can apply that logic to the US too. You certainly can just work a blue collar job. In fact, many wealthy Chinese immigrants do just that after putting their saving into their family home.
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it is very hard to make wage = GDP per capita with a blue collar job in the US or Canada.

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FairAndUnbiased said:
it is very hard to make wage = GDP per capita with a blue collar job in the US or Canada.

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Do you actually know many Chinese immigrants?

One of my neighbors moved here two years ago. He's got 3 kids, and the sole income earner in the family. He currently works as a salesperson at a small company. They're currently renting a house while waiting for their $1.7 million home to finish construction.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Is the data for China for state owned enterprises only?
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Don't know but here's Foxconn, infamous for shit wages and working conditions

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SMT tech, trade school (sub high school), 5-7k per month but they pay 13 months per year. It matches.

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Do you actually know many Chinese immigrants?

One of my neighbors moved here two years ago. He's got 3 kids, and the sole income earner in the family. He currently works as a salesperson at a small company. They're currently renting a house while waiting for their $1.7 million home to finish construction.
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I mean that's one person and it's sales where there's commission, plus they have money from China.
 
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solarz said:
Do you actually know many Chinese immigrants?

One of my neighbors moved here two years ago. He's got 3 kids, and the sole income earner in the family. He currently works as a salesperson at a small company. They're currently renting a house while waiting for their $1.7 million home to finish construction.
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uuuuh, which company is this? I think it's time I dropped my white-collar job
 
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solarz said:
Well yeah, they ALL have money from China. That was my point.
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Yup same experience, my neighbour here in melbourne australia, drove a maserati, lives in multi million dollar house in affluent suburb, guess what is his job? A blue collar plasterer, most Chinese immigrants here made their money in China and for some reason moved to australia, its next to impossible for a migrant here to get a white collar job without a local work experience
 
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