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Major
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Only someone without a near and dear female would say something like this. Even if one doesn't have one, it should be easy to sympathize and feel concerned for them.

Afghan taliban aren't spartans. They are not heroes or liberators. I do understand that Taliban has been and will be, in some ways, useful to achieve Chinese (and Pakistani) geopolitical interests but that's it. Glorification of Taliban should not be entertained. The sins committed by Taliban are too ghastly. I hope the forum members all look at the various attacks and abuses done by Taliban all these years. For the Afghans under occupation (especially women), US and Afghan government have been objectively better than Taliban. That is indisputable.

The Taliban is so SO far from Chinese values.
The photos of Taliban in Tianjin was repulsive to me. The leaders of China indeed made the right decision for the time but giving the taliban treatment accorded to other foreign dignitaries still is ugly. I am saying this again because i noticed a general euphoria regarding the Taliban ascension in some other forums. I don't want SDF to be like that.
A bit disappointing hearing this coming from you. The same people lamenting war crimes of Taliban today were saying the same thing about Xinjiang, Syria, Libya, and even China as a whole not long ago. Are you telling me you believe in the lies about Uyghur concentration camps, cotton slave labour too?

I don't trust anything that comes out of the western propaganda machine. Just a week ago the Anglo propaganda machine were claiming that the Taliban offensive was a bloody campaign of genocide and rape with bodies piling up by the thousands. They thought they would have months to invent evidence, turns out they didn't and their lies were exposed for the world to see.

There are aspects of Taliban rule in the past which are objectionable - like the treatment of religious and ethnic minorities and architectural sites. But they pale in comparison to the narco-warlord state they have replaced.

The correct approach is what the CCP is doing. Give them the credit for their well deserved victory, treat them as equals and work with them to rebuild their country.
 

Nobaron

Junior Member
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Its a facade. They mentioned that they will give women rights as per their take on Islamic system ( whatever that means). They didn't mention equal rights as men but just some rights.

Once they settle in and figure out their hierarchies and levers of power, they will slowly start hunting for the collaborators. They may pass laws that target the collaborators and set up kangaroo courts to deal with them.

My pet cat has got rights too. Big deal.
Sorry but i gotta disagree. First thing to understand is woman's rights n universal terms and rights in national terms. Western "rights" are more or less rights of looting equally while woman's rights there means rights of abortion & doing all sorts of nastiest thing possible under state protection.
As an woman, i feel for afghan woman, but if i or you want to give them all the rights they want or i/you believe the rights they should have, then either me or you should invite them in our countries and fund them. You can't simply say "heyy give them rights to live day to day life, not wrapped up like mummies", but as far as i know, those laws are mostly imposed by families way before state or in this case Taliban does. So what are you going to do? Try to pretend you know their betterment than their own parents & families?
This "basic right" games is what US & west has been playing all along. We have no authority to implement any rights in Afghanistan sitting on our couch, unless you want to take in, US had 20 years. You try to do that, it would be like USA accusing China of violating human rights due to one child policy.
Rights is never given, it is earned. You have only rights over what you have earned & built. Outside that, rights are determined by parents, families, states. When we try to self appoint ourselves as self advisory board committee chairman of human rights, it is bound to become problem. If we house & finance those rights, then it's ok.
 

Nobaron

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Not sure whether this was posted or how authentic the video is (unidentified and unnamed), but it's a sad feeling
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As another member mentioned, interesting choice of dressing & hair style for doing such a video.
More interesting is the woman who is posting it & claiming her heart is being wrenched. I am sure she could house 30 afghan woman in her house.
History did seem to forget how these "opressed" people always end up living luxurious lives built on mass graves of natives.
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
A bit disappointing hearing this coming from you. The same people lamenting war crimes of Taliban today were saying the same thing about Xinjiang, Syria, Libya, and even China as a whole not long ago. Are you telling me you believe in the lies about Uyghur concentration camps, cotton slave labour too?

I don't trust anything that comes out of the western propaganda machine. Just a week ago the Anglo propaganda machine were claiming that the Taliban offensive was a bloody campaign of genocide and rape with bodies piling up by the thousands. They thought they would have months to invent evidence, turns out they didn't and their lies were exposed for the world to see.

There are aspects of Taliban rule in the past which are objectionable - like the treatment of religious and ethnic minorities and architectural sites. But they pale in comparison to the narco-warlord state they have replaced.

The correct approach is what the CCP is doing. Give them the credit for their well deserved victory, treat them as equals and work with them to rebuild their country.
Taliban is repulsive and deranged. And I hope they improve just for the sake of Afghanistan's innocent humans.

I don't want to drag this discussion and I'm dropping the topic. Let's get back to posting news.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
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I don’t think there is a general sense of euphoria as much as a sense of horror at how badly Biden screwed this up. At least this is how I feel. It is like watching a train wreck.

A very very slow motion train wreck that's happening in real time. Lol. I mean come on, you can't blame us on here over reactng. Call it "euphoria" if you like. But no! We are not gloating in a childish sense. We are having our "moments" because of all the negativity aimed at China all these years. And what this dies is that U.S. and the West are no better than what they trying to make China out to be. So please let us have some slack.

So China and Chinese everywhere are only right and proper to point out the U.S. and western incompetence for all to see.

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windsclouds2030

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The sins committed by Taliban are too ghastly. I hope the forum members all look at the various attacks and abuses done by Taliban all these years. For the Afghans under occupation (especially women), US and Afghan government have been objectively better than Taliban. That is indisputable.
I hope you are willing to spend some reading time to dig deeper on what you perceive. And I think you are quite narrowly over focusing on the women issue. Afghanistan is facing so many pressing social-economic and health issues after being under occupation for twenty years! And your sticking to the perception that today's Taliban is just the same as the one prior to the United States' 20-year occupation is questionable.

Geopolitics, Profit, and Poppies: How the CIA Turned Afghanistan into a Failed Narco-State

The war in Afghanistan has looked a lot like war on drugs in Latin America and previous colonial campaigns in Asia, with a rapid militarization of the area (2021)

A recent poll conducted by Gallup found that Afghans are THE SADDEST people on Earth, with nearly 9 in 10 respondents “suffering” and zero percent of population “thriving,” in their own words; rate their lives out of a score of ten, average answer of 2.7.

Taliban eventually emerged as dominant force in Afghanistan and attempted to gain international legitimacy by stamping out Opium trade. They're remarkably successful. A 2000 ban on opium cultivation by Taliban led to an almost overnight drop to just 185 tons harvested the following year.

The effect of the US occupation was to expand drug production to unprecedented new proportions, Afghanistan becoming, in Prof. Alfred McCoy’s estimation, the world’s first true narco-state. McCoy notes that by 2008, opium was responsible for well over half of the country’s GDP. By comparison, even in Colombia’s darkest days, cocaine accounted for only 3% of its GDP.

Prof. Alfred McCoy, author of “The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade”

Today (June 2021), UN estimates that around 6,300 tons of opium (and rising) is produced yearly, with 224,000 ha — an area almost the size of Rhode Island — planted with poppy fields.

The opium-addiction effect on the Afghan population has been nothing short of a disaster. Between 2005 and 2015, the number of adult drug users jumped from 900,000 to 2.4 million, according to the United Nations, which estimates that almost one in three households are directly affected by addiction. While Afghanistan also produces copious amounts of marijuana and methamphetamine, opioids are the drug of choice for most, with around 9% of the adult population (and a growing number of children) addicted to them. Added to this has been a spike in HIV cases, as users share needles, Professor Julien Mercille, author of “Cruel Harvest: U.S. Intervention in the Afghan Drug Trade,” told MintPress.

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What is important to understand is that one of the key strategic objectives of the 2001 war on Afghanistan was to restore the opium trade following the Taliban government’s successful 2000-2001 drug eradication program which led to a 94% collapse in opium production.

“In 2000-2001, Taliban government –in collaboration with the UN– had imposed a successful ban on poppy cultivation. Opium production declined by more than 90% in 2001. In fact the surge in #OPIUM cultivation occurred AFTER THE DOWNFALL of Taliban regime.


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How the US would love the world to believe that Talibans are some sort of terrorists...
 

solarz

Brigadier
Taliban is repulsive and deranged. And I hope they improve just for the sake of Afghanistan's innocent humans.

I don't want to drag this discussion and I'm dropping the topic. Let's get back to posting news.

In any case, it's been 20 years since the Taliban last ruled Afghanistan.

Let's wait and see what how the new Taliban does before passing judgment.

Regardless, most of the world lives in horrifying conditions, so singling out the Taliban is pretty pointless. The only thing that matters to me, is whether they are reliable partners for BRI.
 
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