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Blackstone

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PRC cyber laws going into effect. It's a long article, but the summary is pretty clear. US should impose the same exact restrictions on PRC companies operating in the US as PRC imposes on US firms. Reciprocation should be the new operating policy with the PRC.

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Three Takeaways

First, China’s new legal framework for cybersecurity does not mean that it will be impossible for foreign tech companies to do business in China, but it is written so as to provide legal imprimatur to Beijing’s political whims. There is an expression in Chinese for the discretionary authority that high-ranking officials have when it comes to laws: “If they say it is fine, then it will be fine. If they say it is not fine, then it will not be fine (说行就行,说不行就不行).” If the Chinese government, customers, and partners want to do business with a foreign company, they will find a solution to get through these new regulatory hurdles. But if they do not, there is now an easy way to say no.

Second, informal implementation of the CSL and related measures began long ago, making the June 1 deadline less relevant than it seems. Global industry associations calling for a
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are wasting their energy, not least because the law is tightly linked with national security and is not directed at market access alone. Foreign companies have grown accustomed to submitting to invasive security reviews and pressure to store some types of data locally in China for some time. However, the time period before the entry into force of the cross border data flows measures will be crucial for clarifying the parameters of data that will be subject to some type of review.

Third, the most important point of leverage for the US when it comes to China’s cybersecurity regime may be access to overseas markets for Chinese companies as they go global. Beijing appears to be in the process of moderating its approach on cross-border data flows in recognition of the problems this would cause for its global tech ambitions. The threat of sanctions against Chinese companies finally brought Beijing to the negotiating table in September 2015 for the Obama-Xi agreement on cyber economic espionage. US industry and policymakers should keep this in mind as they consider responses, particularly related to the need for business-related data to go back and forth across borders.
 

Yvrch

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As usual , your reasoning is ass backward LoL.

It is more like China is reciprocating CFIUS, paying back in the same currency, something that is long overdue LoL.

PRC cyber laws going into effect. It's a long article, but the summary is pretty clear.US should impose the same exact restrictions on PRC companies operating in the US as PRC imposes on US firms. Reciprocation should be the new operating policy with the PRC.

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delft

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PRC cyber laws going into effect. It's a long article, but the summary is pretty clear. US should impose the same exact restrictions on PRC companies operating in the US as PRC imposes on US firms. Reciprocation should be the new operating policy with the PRC.

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It is the US practice of forcing US companies to provide data they have on servers in other countries that are forcing other countries including China to take these measures. The talk by China is not very different from the talk by the UK government although I think China will be more effective in enforcing its policies.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
It is the US practice of forcing US companies to provide data they have on servers in other countries that are forcing other countries including China to take these measures. The talk by China is not very different from the talk by the UK government although I think China will be more effective in enforcing its policies.
Effectiveness and efficiency in policy policing is different than revising out of date business and trade policies. China is no longer strictly a "developing country," and the US shouldn't treat it as one. That's why I want Washington to imposing a new reciprocation policy on big newly industrialized countries like China, and maybe India, to level the playing field. Allowing Chinese businesses, especially the state-owned enterprises, to invest in the US without similar concession for US businesses in China isn't good for the US, and I'd argue, in the long-run, it isn't good for China either. Bottom line is whatever China imposes on US businesses operating in China is what US should impose on Chinese businesses operating in the US.
 

delft

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Effectiveness and efficiency in policy policing is different than revising out of date business and trade policies. China is no longer strictly a "developing country," and the US shouldn't treat it as one. That's why I want Washington to imposing a new reciprocation policy on big newly industrialized countries like China, and maybe India, to level the playing field. Allowing Chinese businesses, especially the state-owned enterprises, to invest in the US without similar concession for US businesses in China isn't good for the US, and I'd argue, in the long-run, it isn't good for China either. Bottom line is whatever China imposes on US businesses operating in China is what US should impose on Chinese businesses operating in the US.
You consider a different matter from the question of cyber security.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Very sad situation, I hope China finds a way out of its poor public morality problems. This sentence is especially noteworthy:

"A 2014 state media poll found that Chinese thought "lacking faith and ethics" was the No. 1 social problem, followed by "being a bystander or being selfish."

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A speeding taxi knocks the pedestrian off her feet, sending her hurtling through the air. Dozens of people stand gawking or walk past, as if the young woman sprawled in the busy intersection simply doesn't exist. A full minute passes, and another speeding vehicle, this time an SUV, tramples the prone woman. Her unconscious body churns under its large wheels like a lumpen sack.

After a grainy video of a traffic accident in the city of Zhumadian surfaced on Chinese social media this past week, the initial reaction was one of outrage directed at the more than 40 pedestrians and drivers who passed within meters of the woman, all failing to offer help.

But for many Chinese, the video was something more: a 94-second reminder of their society's deep rot.

Even as China presents itself outwardly as a prosperous rising power, around kitchen tables and in private WeChat groups, Chinese citizens routinely grumble about a nation that's gone bankrupt when it comes to two qualities: "suzhi," or "personal character," and "dixian," literally "bottom line" — or a basic, inviolable sense of right and wrong.

Here, the common refrain goes, is an unmoored country where manufacturers knowingly sell toxic baby formula and fraudulent children's vaccines. Restaurants cook with recycled "gutter oil" and grocery stores peddle fake eggs, fake fruit, even fake rice. Many Chinese say they avoid helping people on the street because of widespread stories about extortionists who seek help from passers-by and then feign injuries and demand compensation — perhaps explaining the Zhumadian behavior.

"It's a problem with the entire country: Our moral bottom line has fallen so low," Tian You, a novelist based in the southeastern city of Shenzhen, said by phone. "If I'm truly honest, I wonder, would I myself have dared to help the woman?"

After the Zhumadian video surfaced this week, garnering more than 5 million views in its first 24 hours before being censored, local police were forced to disclose that the incident took place weeks earlier, on April 21. The woman, surnamed Ma, died, while the two drivers who hit her were held under investigation, police said, without giving further details.

The news swept through social media and even state media outlets. The Communist Youth League, an influential party organization, circulated the video on its Weibo account, urging its 5 million followers to "reject indifference." An opinion column on china.com, a state media organ, asked citizens to "reflect" on the tragedy. Others used the episode as a starting point to vent about social ills.

"Like the polluted haze facing our country, we see boundless corruption, left-behind children, medical disputes and so forth," a columnist in the Chengdu Economic Daily wrote. "Have our society's morals gotten better or worse in the last 10 years? What about our future, are you confident about that? Don't ask me, because I'm not."

Public concern about China's morals crosses decades and age groups. Ever since China began its free market reforms in the 1980s, older citizens have frequently griped about moral decay and profess nostalgia about a more innocent socialist era, while younger, worldly Chinese wonder why fraud and fake products aren't as rampant in other countries.

Chinese scholars say many issues that leave the
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disillusioned are a result of lagging government regulation and the dislocating forces of swift development.

"In the West, law, faith and morality are a three-legged stool," said Ma Ai, a sociologist at the China University of Political Science and Law. "Our legal system is catching up, but we don't have religion and a new moral system has not established after China transformed away from a traditional, collectivist society."

A debate flared following a similar case in 2011, when an unattended 2-year old was hit by a truck on a busy street in Guangdong province and laid in a pool of blood without any help from bystanders for seven minutes. She died later. In the following years, several cities, including Beijing and Shanghai, enacted Good Samaritan laws.

To be sure, examples of bystander apathy are ubiquitous, from the case of Kitty Genovese, the woman stabbed to death in daylight in a New York City apartment complex in 1964, to last year in Chicago, where a man who was knocked unconscious in an assault was run over and killed by a taxi after a group of bystanders walked away from him.

In India, a video showed a man unsuccessfully pleading for help following a road accident that killed his wife and child in 2013. That same year, passers-by refused to stop to help a naked, bleeding gang-rape victim after she was dumped from a bus onto a New Delhi street. The 23-year-old student died of her injuries.

But the Chinese have been particularly self-critical on the matter.

In 2009, the People's Daily, the Communist Party's official mouthpiece, ran a provocative story with a picture of a dog standing by another injured dog in a busy street and pondered whether humans would do the same. The report was headlined, "Do Chinese people lack compassion?"

A 2014 state media poll found that Chinese thought "lacking faith and ethics" was the No. 1 social problem, followed by "being a bystander or being selfish."

Many in China's intelligentsia reject the idea that an ancient strain of Chinese culture that focuses on the immediate family explains modern tragedies like Zhumadian. Confucius, after all, taught the Golden Rule. And Mencius, another revered philosopher, urged his disciples to love others' children and respect others' parents as one would their own.

More frequently heard are indictments of the Communist regime that has suppressed religion and traditional values and emphasized stability over justice.

Tian, the Shenzhen writer, cited the
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in the 1960s, which turned families and neighbors against each other in a battle for survival. Hyper-capitalistic, no-holds-barred competition consumed the reform era that followed Mao's death.

"Our political system doesn't regulate the things it should and it manages things it shouldn't," said Zhang Wen, a well-known Beijing commentator who pointed out that many charitable organizations have disbanded due to government pressure, resulting in a decline of "charity spirit."

In his own middle-class circle, Zhang said, many friends speak about feeling "emotionally withdrawn" in the pressure-cooker economy.

"We've become individuals, alienated and doing whatever we can to get ahead," he said. "There is no space left to care for others."
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
In a blow to Governor Tsai Ing-wen and her Lunatic Green Party, Panama booted Taipei and established official diplomatic relations with Beijing. I suspect if Ms. Tasi plays any more quasi mind games for independence, China will take more diplomatic ties away from the renegade province.

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Panama and China have established formal diplomatic ties, Panama’s President Juan Carlos Varela said in a televised address on Monday.

The step represents a victory for Beijing in Central America, a region with strong diplomatic links with Taiwan.

Mainland China considers Taiwan a breakaway Chinese province.

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It tries to deter countries establishing ties with the island.

Relations between mainland China and Taiwan have worsened since the election of President Tsai Ing-wen last year.

Tsai’s Democratic Progressive Party traditionally is supportive of independence.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I was at a friend's party and a few current and former cops were there. They were talking about the job and one of them mentioned how there was a hit and run in a neighborhood. The guy was still alive but no one called the police. The guy was only discovered when a police car on patrol drove by and found the body in the street. The guy had already died by then. It was reported later that kids in the neighborhood came up to the guy who was dying and played with his body and poked sticks at him.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Very sad situation, I hope China finds a way out of its poor public morality problems. This sentence is especially noteworthy:

"A 2014 state media poll found that Chinese thought "lacking faith and ethics" was the No. 1 social problem, followed by "being a bystander or being selfish."

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Why is that so many western readers and religious institutions always thinks so negatively about China whenever something like this happens? Why is it a CPC problem? Like the US and religious institutions doesn't have a public morality problems of their own? I smell desperation here.
 
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