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kwaigonegin said:

I think this is potentially a false flag for Erdogan to consolidate power and realigned his thugs. Turkey has remained relatively moderate for decades because the military has always been secular and kept the politicians in check however since Erdogan came to power and change the constitution to give the presidency more powers (b4 it was largely symbolic) he has replace tons of moderate military brass as well as judicial appointees.

However regardless if it was a false flag or not there is no doubt this latest coup will result in many more thousands of moderates both military and civilian to be rounded up, jailed and many would be executed.
It is 100% factual that Turkey has lean much further right since Erdogan became president and I think this latest event will bring Turkey towards a more hard line Islamic institution. Even on a social aspect things have gotten a lot more 'Islamic'. You see a lot more women in hijabs for example than ever before.

Anyway there already have been reports of judges, lawyers etc being arrested and some Kurdish villages have already been attacked by pro Erdogan forces.

What's scary is if you're a student of history you'll notice that this is not too dissimilar to Germany circa 1933,1934.

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kwaigonegin said:

I think this is potentially a false flag for Erdogan to consolidate power and realigned his thugs.

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kwaigonegin said:

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What's scary is if you're a student of history you'll notice that this is not too dissimilar to Germany circa 1933,1934.

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the 8 cm used (the only one) in the streets of Vienna in February of 1934​

US-Turkish tensions rise after failed coup attempt

US Would Consider Extradition for Exiled Cleric




LUXEMBOURG (AP) -- U.S.-Turkish tensions escalated Saturday after a quashed coup in Turkey, as the country's leader bluntly demanded the extradition of a U.S.-based cleric he accused of orchestrating the violence. Another senior official directly blamed the United States.

After strongly supporting Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan when it seemed his government might topple and then opening the door to sending home the cleric, a stung Obama administration fired back at its NATO ally.

"Public insinuations or claims about any role by the United States in the failed coup attempt are utterly false and harmful to our bilateral relations," U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told his Turkish counterpart, according to the State Department's readout of their telephone call.

The back-and-forth occurred against the backdrop of Turkey closing its airspace, effectively grounding U.S. warplanes that had been targeting Islamic State forces in neighboring Syria and Iraq.

At the center of the controversy stood Fethullah Gulen, who lives in exile in Pennsylvania and promotes a philosophy that blends a mystical form of Islam with staunch advocacy of democracy, education, science and interfaith dialogue.

Gulen quickly condemned Friday night's coup attempt by military officers that resulted in a night of explosions, air battles and gunfire that left dozens dead. Erdogan's government said Gulen directed the coup all the same.

In a televised speech Saturday, Erdogan said Turkey had never rejected a U.S. extradition request for "terrorists." Addressing Washington, he requested the handover of Gulen and said, "If we are strategic partners, then you should bring about our request."

Although he didn't outline any threat, Erdogan's emphasis on U.S.-Turkish counterterrorism cooperation raised the prospect of a prolonged closure of the Incirlik air base in southern Turkey if he didn't get his way. The Pentagon said it was trying to get permission to resume air operations from the base, while adjusting mission operations in the meantime.

Suleyman Soylu, Turkey's labor minister, went further than Erdogan, suggesting the U.S. was behind the coup.

In their second call in as many days, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavosoglu told Kerry the government was in control of state institutions.

Kerry reiterated U.S. support for Turkey's democratically elected government, according to the State Department readout, and urged authorities to respect the rule of law and safeguard civilian life as they respond to the coup attempt. Kerry also said Turkey needed to respect due process as it investigates those it believes were involved in the plot.

Earlier, on a visit to Luxembourg, Kerry told reporters the U.S. would entertain an extradition request for Gulen if the Turks provided evidence of wrongdoing. Erdogan has long accused Gulen, a former ally, of trying to overthrow the government, but Washington has never found the claims compelling.

"We fully anticipate that there will be questions raised about Mr. Gulen," Kerry told reporters. "And obviously we would invite the government of Turkey, as we always do, to present us with any legitimate evidence that withstands scrutiny. And the United States will accept that and look at it and make judgments about it appropriately."

Gulen is understood to maintain significant support among some members of the military and mid-level bureaucrats. His movement called Hizmet includes think tanks, schools and various media enterprises. Gulen and Erdogan only became estranged in recent years.

A Turkish official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with government regulations, said Turkey was preparing a formal extradition request with detailed information about Gulen's involvement in illegal activities. He said the coup attempt was seen as "one more thing to add to an already extensive list."

In a statement, Gulen said he condemned, "in the strongest terms, the attempted military coup in Turkey" and sharply rejected any responsibility or knowledge of who might be involved.

At a news briefing Saturday in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, the cleric noted that he has been away from Turkey for more than 15 years and would not have returned if the coup had succeeded. He cited greater freedoms in the United States as a reason.

"In brief, I don't even know who my followers are," the frail-looking cleric said through an interpreter. "You can think about many motivations of people who staged this coup."

The coup failed after appearing not to have been backed by the most senior ranks of the military. Turkey's main opposition parties, too, condemned the attempted overthrow of the government. Prime Minister Benali Yildirim said 161 people were killed and 1,440 wounded in the overnight violence. He said 2,839 plotters were detained.

Kerry said the U.S. had no indication beforehand of the coup attempt, which began as he and Russia's foreign minister were in a Russian government villa in Moscow, locked in negotiations over Syria.

"If you're planning a coup, you don't exactly advertise to your partners in NATO," Kerry said. "So it surprised everyone. It does not appear to be a very brilliantly planned or executed event."

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SampanViking said:

I do wonder just how over this Coup event actually is.
There does seem to have been a woefully small number involved for such a complex undertaking and that by itself is surprising.

It may of course be that others were supposed to join in and backed out at the last minute, allowing the vanguard to take the fall.

On the other hand of course and staying with the vanguard notion, one important result will have been achieved by yesterdays action. Yesterday many key government and other state officials appear to have been dispersed and location not fully known with certainty.
Today all are back at their desks and in "position"..............

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B.I.B. said:

Any thoughts on what prompted the coup attempt? There has been some speculation that some sections of society in Turkey feared that she was moving away from secularism.

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Jura said:

I've repeatedly seen anti-American Internet-sources implicating

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which disappointed me, as I would've thought anti-American Internet-sources should put the blame on a certain institution based in Langley, Virgina LOL!

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kwaigonegin said:

I think this is potentially a false flag for Erdogan to consolidate power and realigned his thugs. ...

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“I don’t believe that the world believes the accusations made by President Erdoğan,” Gülen said. “There is a possibility that it could be a staged coup and it could be meant for further accusations [against the Gülenists].”

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kwaigonegin said:

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Tell me that wasn't a false flag!

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