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Two Indian journalists are giddy over the prospect fo India joining the French FCAS program.

They are so excited, that the FCAS program could allow their great Supapowar to leapfrog into 6th generation jets. You what, I would actually be happy for India to join the FCAS program. India can offer to France what Germany never could: the power of Jugaad, and Vishwaguru. Jai Hind!
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
Turkey can go and screw themselves. They are in no position to demand technology from China. Erdogan and his government are two-headed snakes anyway. Nobody really trust these backstabbers these days. Ask Russia, Iran, and the Palestinians.

This thing about trying to bully Chinese companies is not just Turkey's problem. Even Malaysia tried to turn BYDs investment into a fiasco. The Malaysian government imposed a last minute condition on BYD. Which is that 80% of it's production in Malaysia are to be exported while the 20% that is sold locally is priced at a minimum of RM100k or about USD25k. This minimum price means that the cheapest BYD will be priced out of the budget Malaysian EV market. Which happens to be dominated by Proton a local company owned by Geely. So this move looks both protectionist and ironically stupid at the same time.

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This is India-level BS. They are trying to dictate to BYD what to do with it's potential factory in Malaysia and how they are gonna sell their vehicles.

They are threatening BYD and other Chinese EV makers with crazy import duties and taxes if they directly export CBUs to Malaysia. Rumours are, that if the taxes were implemented, an average Chinese CBU could cost around RM200k or about USD50k. This is the kind of price people pay for entry-level BMWs or Mercedes. No such conditions for Malaysian, Japanese, and European brands with operating assembly plants in Malaysia. This reeks of protectionism and trade coercion.

It seems that many small and medium countries perceive China's generosity as a weakness. They have more respect for theor former colonial powers than for a country that had never hurt them. The A-hole Philippines Defence Minister, have said that Chinese aid during the Iran War oil shortage is received, but with suspicion and without thanks. Then he embraces Japan who had butchered thousands of his people in WW2. There were also other sleazy demands by Indonesia and Congo for China to build their minerals refining industry for free. Why didn't they demand their former colonizers for those?

China needs to be firm with these nations, and treat them with a purely transactional relationship. Who are you to demand that China hand over money and technology, and then you can still push China around? What? Because you can threaten to run to the Japanese and the West if China refuses? Please go ahead! You live and die by your stupidity. These nations need to be taught a lesson in humility.
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Indeed, the problem is that too many of these leaders function as quasi feudal oligarchies so the decision makers think they have more in common with their Oxbridge buddies than the ordinary malay/turk/indian etc back home. China has proven it doesn’t need them, let them apply their duties and watch another ASEAN rival take their place at the table. And if they want to go the Nexperia route, happily the PLAN will rediscover a use for their marines.
 
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A potato said:
Olivia Chow i am HKer.

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It is true, she was originally from Hong Kong. When I used to see her sometimes on the streets or where ever, we would speak in Cantonese.


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I don't think that is possible. Their whole mentality is wrong.

They will never escape the middle income trap. They don't have in them. And the Americans will not give them a free pass like they desire.
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
Turkey can go and screw themselves. They are in no position to demand technology from China. Erdogan and his government are two-headed snakes anyway. Nobody really trust these backstabbers these days. Ask Russia, Iran, and the Palestinians.

This thing about trying to bully Chinese companies is not just Turkey's problem. Even Malaysia tried to turn BYDs investment into a fiasco. The Malaysian government imposed a last minute condition on BYD. Which is that 80% of it's production in Malaysia are to be exported while the 20% that is sold locally is priced at a minimum of RM100k or about USD25k. This minimum price means that the cheapest BYD will be priced out of the budget Malaysian EV market. Which happens to be dominated by Proton a local company owned by Geely. So this move looks both protectionist and ironically stupid at the same time.

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This is India-level BS. They are trying to dictate to BYD what to do with it's potential factory in Malaysia and how they are gonna sell their vehicles.

They are threatening BYD and other Chinese EV makers with crazy import duties and taxes if they directly export CBUs to Malaysia. Rumours are, that if the taxes were implemented, an average Chinese CBU could cost around RM200k or about USD50k. This is the kind of price people pay for entry-level BMWs or Mercedes. No such conditions for Malaysian, Japanese, and European brands with operating assembly plants in Malaysia. This reeks of protectionism and trade coercion.

It seems that many small and medium countries perceive China's generosity as a weakness. They have more respect for theor former colonial powers than for a country that had never hurt them. The A-hole Philippines Defence Minister, have said that Chinese aid during the Iran War oil shortage is received, but with suspicion and without thanks. Then he embraces Japan who had butchered thousands of his people in WW2. There were also other sleazy demands by Indonesia and Congo for China to build their minerals refining industry for free. Why didn't they demand their former colonizers for those?

China needs to be firm with these nations, and treat them with a purely transactional relationship. Who are you to demand that China hand over money and technology, and then you can still push China around? What? Because you can threaten to run to the Japanese and the West if China refuses? Please go ahead! You live and die by your stupidity. These nations need to be taught a lesson in humility.
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Honestly its better to not really care. When they start drowning and crying for help, you just ignore them until they are desperate to give huge concessions. Then they will slowly wake up. India kept talking loads of crap about China but in their current state, they have to quietly bow down to China because China can easily tighten its grip on exports to India and even Modi knows he has no more bargaining power especially with the current state of India. What Jai Hinds on the internet say doesn't mean anything since they are mostly nobodies and have no real stake at hand unlike Modi.

After all China has a country to run. It doesn't have time or resources to waste on others. If they want to down themselves, its not China's problem. By not pretending to be superman or whatever, you can easily walk away with a smile.
 
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The real stupidity is being so focused on the incorrect idea that you simply must build factories in country x and deliver your tech on a platter for country x just to access its market when country x has no serious market to offer in the first place.

Malaysia and Turkey can kick rocks. These markets are tiny in comparison to what China did to leverage market size for manufacturing rights. Particularly so if you consider that these countries do not enforce the same rules on other foreign companies. They simply see BYD as a massive cash cow for corrupt politicians and source of technology transfer. Well if they enforced the same rules on everyone, I'd give them a bit more respect but seems targeted to BYD.

Simply don't bother negotiating with these types. They can lose the manufacturing jobs and domestic plants and stick with higher priced cars which their middle classes and below are increasingly unable to afford while those products are increasingly enshittified (Toyota etc). There are so many markets out there and Malaysia + Turkey markets are not even the size of the Guangdong market. Is it worth future headaches when they practise retroactive laws like India does?

Should remember that all middle income nations are deeply, inevitably fucked. They will try to extract blood from a stone because all middle income nations without industrial and technology bases have no future until the global order goes through a paradigm shift. Any deals you make with these countries will be subject to retroactive changes by future governments of these countries. The world is gobbled up entirely by US, China and Europe. It's a sinking ship and it will only get harder and worse until an overhaul of the global order.

Middle income countries have nothing left. The measly raw materials they have are not exactly exclusive. Malaysia thinks no one else can produce palm oil? Turkey thinks their electronic products have no competitors? like honestly, they have zero room for more growth and all economic indicators show that we're reaching a threshold where capitalism has run its course. It's eating the working classes of the world and China is only able to get out by the skin of its teeth because it has such capable industries and manufacturing which is backed by the world's best energy sourcing ecosystem and supply chain logistics. Without that, it would suffer a worse fate than middle income nations and be not too different to India.
 
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Honestly BYD should just manufacture in China and countries that will not practise bullshit retroactive laws. IF they do, hit back.

There is no sense or point to being penny wise and pound foolish by trying to gain that extra net 0.03% margin by manufacturing in Turkey or Malaysia while handing over BYD tech.

Where China leveraged its market size for ToT, it offered immense profit margin improvements for the corporations engaged in these ventures to the point none of those corporations (e.g. Apple) would be anywhere near where they got without Chinese manufacturing and consumption. Turkey and Malaysia are not those kind of markets. It's not worth risking $1M to make $1. They can import Chinese EVs or buy legacy. Go for it.
 
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Boo. Pedophile city won.

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1. Hey hey hey, you can hardly find a city in the world that hates Trump more than NYC; certainly none exists in China.

2. What in the world??!! I grew up in NYC watching basketball with my dad and we used to be Knicks fans. I remember them getting into the finals and losing to the Spurs in 1999; I remember them getting thrashed by the Pacers and my dad saying he'd like to smash Reggie Miller's head like a watermelon. We saw Allan Houston score 53 points in one game because his child was just born. But it got too depressing after that cus they got worse and worse so we stopped watching. This takes me way back!
 
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For the longest time foriegn investment is only possible with firm control of the country. It is precisely these reasons that control is necessary. Those were sphere of influence of great powers, and the imperialism that comes after. We breifly avoided that system due to countries piggy back on USA to do the control for them. But make no mistake foriegn investment is not possible without leverage on the ruling class, whether economic, military, or political power over the country.
 
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Advanced countries like Germany and Japan not understand there diminish status so what you can expect from India.
US can demolish India economy just like Iranian rial which Iranian keep it afloat with news of billions coming from Royals.
India is now deferring over 500 airplanes from Airbus and Boeing. and this without NEOM imagine what NEOM will do to the world.
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India particularly under Modi is quite incompetent and did not look for oil/gas off of her long coastlines /nor shale oil and ,lacks economic/infrastructure resilience at the national level to protect herself during a crisis and assume that the USA/ west will be always friendly/supportive of india(because we are so anti-China!)-absolutely wrong and the latest physical attack on india is indicative of the world's pushback against indians'scams,fraud ,predatory business /tax practicesand invasive immigration practices -all the modi bowing,kneeling and unwanted hugs/hand holding is for naught in the realpolitik world.
 
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