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Franklin said:

Donald Trump reacts to expensive NBA ticket prices.

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I mean, he's not wrong. Watching pro sports is just brain-turned-off entertainment, not an essential need, which is outside the scope of what the government should be spending their effort on. That's what I love about Trump, he is full mask off, telling it like it is, unfiltered. I completely recognize that he is the pure incarnation of avarice, narcissism, cruelty, envy and wrath. But he makes zero effort to hide who he is, which I respect. If this were Biden, I'm sure we would get some obfuscating word salad spiel about how they are trying to "do what they can to make American lives better, blah blah blah". He'd also probably throw in a couple of interspersed dementia ridden "hubububs" in his response. (or maybe an anecdote about Corn Pop)

Now if you argue that the government should probably spend some effort to placate the masses with bread and circus and try to do something about reducing costs to access these things so they don't end up with their heads in the guillotine, then that is another conversation.

Does anyone have any guesses when Huawei is going to make a comeback in the international market?

They have been half dead for a couple years. Even though there's releases of certain phones like Pura series and recently Mate 80 series in a small number of overseas markets, they're often overpriced and sometimes base model is not sold.

And most importantly the software situation is not ideal. They're all launched with the ancient EMUI 4.2. And google apps are still a workaround with semi official emulation solutions, and there's no Google Pay, while Huawei Pay is not widely supported.

I think a comeback is going to minimally need:
1. HarmonyOS.
In China HMOS is definitely starting to be viewed as a viable OS now and all major apps are already working with little missing functions. Huge improvement over the past 2 years.

2. An official or at least more robust support for android/google apps. Something like droitong that is available in HMOS phones in China now

3. More support for NFC payments, either through Google (unlikely) or Huawei expanding cooperation with banks

I think some form of minimal cooperation with the US will greatly enhance Huawei's overseas viability

sndef888 said:

Does anyone have any guesses when Huawei is going to make a comeback in the international market?

They have been half dead for a couple years. Even though there's releases of certain phones like Pura series and recently Mate 80 series in a small number of overseas markets, they're often overpriced and sometimes base model is not sold.

And most importantly the software situation is not ideal. They're all launched with the ancient EMUI 4.2. And google apps are still a workaround with semi official emulation solutions, and there's no Google Pay, while Huawei Pay is not widely supported.

I think a comeback is going to minimally need:
1. HarmonyOS.
In China HMOS is definitely starting to be viewed as a viable OS now and all major apps are already working with little missing functions. Huge improvement over the past 2 years.

2. An official or at least more robust support for android/google apps. Something like droitong that is available in HMOS phones in China now

3. More support for NFC payments, either through Google (unlikely) or Huawei expanding cooperation with banks

I think some form of minimal cooperation with the US will greatly enhance Huawei's overseas viability

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China is doing well catching up to US when it comes to Hardware, But China is awefully behind when it comes to building a software ecosystem and platform for the rest of the world. Moreover, people's dependence on these platforms have ossified and they will not switch to a chinese alternative even if they exist just cause they are so used to the Google ecosystem.

For Huawei to become viable again as a smartphone worldwide, they will have to literally break US monopoly over software ecosystem. Which means a popular alternative to Gmail, youtube, Google maps and now even Google Pay. People are completely used to these platforms. They have no reason to switch even if a Chinese alternative exist. That Chinese alternative must have mindblowing killer features so compelling that they make the switch out of sheer necessity.

So, yeah I don't see Huawei is ever becoming viable outside China. Or even if it does, maybe in 20 years.

tamsen_ikard said:

China is doing well catching up to US when it comes to Hardware, But China is awefully behind when it comes to building a software ecosystem and platform for the rest of the world. Moreover, people's dependence on these platforms have ossified and they will not switch to a chinese alternative even if they exist just cause they are so used to the Google ecosystem.

For Huawei to become viable again as a smartphone worldwide, they will have to literally break US monopoly over software ecosystem. Which means a popular alternative to Gmail, youtube, Google maps and now even Google Pay. People are completely used to these platforms. They have no reason to switch even if a Chinese alternative exist. That Chinese alternative must have mindblowing killer features so compelling that they make the switch out of sheer necessity.

So, yeah I don't see Huawei is ever becoming viable outside China. Or even if it does, maybe in 20 years.

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People worldwide don't use much of google stuff.

tamsen_ikard said:

China is doing well catching up to US when it comes to Hardware, But China is awefully behind when it comes to building a software ecosystem and platform for the rest of the world. Moreover, people's dependence on these platforms have ossified and they will not switch to a chinese alternative even if they exist just cause they are so used to the Google ecosystem.

For Huawei to become viable again as a smartphone worldwide, they will have to literally break US monopoly over software ecosystem. Which means a popular alternative to Gmail, youtube, Google maps and now even Google Pay. People are completely used to these platforms. They have no reason to switch even if a Chinese alternative exist. That Chinese alternative must have mindblowing killer features so compelling that they make the switch out of sheer necessity.

So, yeah I don't see Huawei is ever becoming viable outside China. Or even if it does, maybe in 20 years.

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I agree that there is a very large hurdle for Huawei when going global again with smartphones,, but I think that you are describing the problem imprecisely.
I, living in Denmark, would love to buy a new Huawei smartphone. The fact that Googles own (spy) apps like Youtube, Maps, Gmail are not integrated is just a plus to me and matters very little to others. Fine alternatives exists.
The problem is the ability to install third-party apps. Banking, Payment, Health etc. These apps only come in Android and Apple versions. And Google is making sure that the android versions are more and more integrated with the proprietary parts of Android.

AssassinsMace said:

I'm sure the cope they come up with is they that can do this to the Chinese or anyone who has Chinese devices. But then that's why they don't want anyone in the world to buy Chinese because it's harder to do.

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I mean there is no wat to secure your system because if an intelligence agency wants your data they will get it but the point of securing your device is to make it not worth their time because it takes alot of time to break into somebody phone and that might not be worth the effort compared to people leaving their door unlocked.

But troops will be troops because people post shit online now a days include CAFSOFCOM operator posting shit on tik tok meaning them Chinese Spyware will get info from cool montages.

sndef888 said:

Does anyone have any guesses when Huawei is going to make a comeback in the international market?

They have been half dead for a couple years. Even though there's releases of certain phones like Pura series and recently Mate 80 series in a small number of overseas markets, they're often overpriced and sometimes base model is not sold.

And most importantly the software situation is not ideal. They're all launched with the ancient EMUI 4.2. And google apps are still a workaround with semi official emulation solutions, and there's no Google Pay, while Huawei Pay is not widely supported.

I think a comeback is going to minimally need:
1. HarmonyOS.
In China HMOS is definitely starting to be viewed as a viable OS now and all major apps are already working with little missing functions. Huge improvement over the past 2 years.

2. An official or at least more robust support for android/google apps. Something like droitong that is available in HMOS phones in China now

3. More support for NFC payments, either through Google (unlikely) or Huawei expanding cooperation with banks

I think some form of minimal cooperation with the US will greatly enhance Huawei's overseas viability

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Never if the Chinese government doesn't at some point make a move itself. Private Chinese companies cannot be left fending for themselves against state level US sanctions.

American software is entrenched globaly. Even if you create alternatives which isnt difficult you cannot convince people to drop the ecosystem they are used to in favor of yours.

If I'm not mistaken Huawei is doing great in China but it is indeed near dead outside China, and imo China maybe fine with that since it is just one company.

However if the Chinese government wants to change the situation then They will have to at some point make a move. Tell Google and all other US software companies that they can't limit the reach of their services to Chinese companies because this creates uneven playing field. I'm pretty sure you can do some antitrust / anti monopoly law or something.

Tell Google if they continue essentially sanctioning Huawei or any other Chinese company then China will sanction Google to hell. Prohibit the sale of all phones that includes anything from Google in China even from none Chinese manufacturers. Heck if need be blacklist every person who works for Google from entering or doing businesses in China or ban from even just going through Chinese airspace. If that is not enough sanction foreign companies that do any businesses with Google. Tell all foreign companies "you either lose businesses with just Google and keep businesses with China, or you keep businesses with Google but lose all access to the entire Chinese market".

tamsen_ikard said:

China is doing well catching up to US when it comes to Hardware, But China is awefully behind when it comes to building a software ecosystem and platform for the rest of the world. Moreover, people's dependence on these platforms have ossified and they will not switch to a chinese alternative even if they exist just cause they are so used to the Google ecosystem.

For Huawei to become viable again as a smartphone worldwide, they will have to literally break US monopoly over software ecosystem. Which means a popular alternative to Gmail, youtube, Google maps and now even Google Pay. People are completely used to these platforms. They have no reason to switch even if a Chinese alternative exist. That Chinese alternative must have mindblowing killer features so compelling that they make the switch out of sheer necessity.

So, yeah I don't see Huawei is ever becoming viable outside China. Or even if it does, maybe in 20 years.

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I find WeChat ecosystem alone is superior to google ecosystem with more coherent and useful features and less restrictions. The only drawback is the language and lack of acceptance outside of sino sphere.

Are they blocking one’s from white people as well? Something like 95 percent of anti-Indian propaganda comes from US/Canada.

GulfLander said:

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No shit