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China didn't "fold" against Australia quietly after a while, the relationship between China and Australia recovered because the PM responsible for the period of heightened tension - Scott Morrison suffered a decisive defeat in 2022 general election. The new and current PM - Anthony Albanese has a much friendly attitude towards China, eg:
Under him many trade barriers erected by Scott Morrison were taken down. He also navigated geopolitical events with finesse. For example for the 80th anniversary of Victory over Japan military parade while he didn't attend himself (as Trump didn't get an invite), he tacitly allowed Former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews (a politician who himself is notably friendly to China, signing up to BRI) to attend where Andrews was given a VIP seat with the other world leaders, right behind Kim Jong Un even.
One of the factor in Scott Morrison's defeat in the 2022 election was his pro-US anti-China attitude, complete with running a sinophobic election campaign. It caused Australian Chinese diaspora to vote away from his party the Liberals in overwhelming fashion, to the degree that extremely safe seats with large Chinese diaspora populations like Kooyong that has always voted conservative since the formation of the nation changed colour and voted in an independent:
(In Australian politics Liberal = conservative, Labor = progressive)
After Trump became president, Liberal suffered a further decisive defeat in 2025 federal election where the Liberals campaigned on being US aligned, only to have Trump place tariff on Australia during his liberation day tariff war half way through the election campaign.
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Here is the problem with your analysis. You are equating Chinese industrial success with actual Chinese government showing toughness when they get attacked by the EU or any other western country. Are they in any way comparable?
China's industry is successful because of many factors including its much lower GDP per capita and this lower cost of engineers and factory workers, huge population of STEM grads, massive govt investment, infra and so on.
That has nothing to do with how tough Chinese government is when they attacked by the west.
If EU attacks China with tariff on EVs, which is a new and high tech industry, and China only hits back by putting tariff on some EU farm goods, are they in any shape or form equal actions?
No, its China doing a much lower level attack on a good they don't need and that has no strategic significance.
If EU bans Huawei and ZTE using national security and China does nothing, Is China being tough?
EU nationalizes Nexperia and Italy takes back a few companies Chinese companies bought. When was the last time China took control of a European company in China?
What has China done to make Australia walk back on the massive anti-China attacks under Morisson? Huawei ban, national security legislation veto power, foreign interference law....the list goes on. Has Australia walked back any of those things? No. But China walked backed on its hidden trade restrictions on coal and iron imports. Again, chickening out.
Let's face it. China is a pragmatic, successful and slowly getting powerful country. But its completely timid against the west. That is the fact. Maybe because China keeps its head down that EU still allows Chinese cars, perhaps they would have banned them completely by now if China showed some spine. But the fact is, China still is too timid.
Successful without dignity, that is China.
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manqiangrexue
Brigadier
You say China is timid, but actually we already did these things to them before they did it to us. They wanna ban tiktok? We already banned Facebook, Google, Yahoo, etc... They want us to share our EV tech to enter their markets? We already demanded that of them for ICE cars. There are many things we never allowed the West or Western companies to do in China that China can do in the West but since they wanted to change course now rather than 30 years ago, it seems they attacked us. The result is indeed our success, as I pointed out here: Miscellaneous News And the dignity is not that we always find zingers to hit them with at negotiations, but that in the end, trade always prevails to our favor and that the leader of the free world bows to China while kicking the EU like a bunch of miserable alley mutts.
If you ban this and ban that, all you do is create lazy monopolies. Chinese EV and telecoms success was forged by the competition against the European companies.
Hence the think in the west that,
"if we keep hitting China, they won't hit back because they are too money hungry".
"If we ban this from China, they won't do anything cause their economy will lose all vitality without western companies, so they can't hit back"
China is seen as too pragmatic, too money hungry and thus easily hittable.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Pay money to apply for a visa and then you lose it when they reject you? It sounds like an another European scam like how they wanted to tax the world’s airliners for pollution even for ones that didn’t travel to or across Europe. Really, was the money going to go solve the world’s pollution problem? No, it was just to generate a new revenue scheme for EU economies. It shows you how desperate they are over there where they know how everyone is going to protest so they hide it under fighting for the environment. True democracies are suppose to disclose what the money is specifically going to be used for. They didn’t.
Europe doesn’t like how Trump thinks the world including Europe owes so much to the US that he expects them to hand over billions of dollars to him for nothing. Well what is it when Europe thinks China is suppose to just handover its best EV technology to them and get literally nothing from it? They don’t think that’s the cost of paying tribute to them for nothing like it’s owed to them?
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
China's seen as winning too hard so in desperation, they're trying to hit to gain an advantage but China always counters it so that the advantage either remains or increases. China has already hit them a lot decades ago protecting the Chinese economy and that's when China saw them as capitalists that will sell the rope they are hung with. If it took a person with a room temperature IQ to be stupid enough to believe that China is easily hittable, that room is now in the arctic after watching Trump;s begging tour in China. But still, they must struggle because they feel China eating even the crumbs of thier lunch as this rate.
To be fair, even if Trump didn't start tariffing Australia on Liberation Day, Dutton's buffoonery did a lot of heavy lifting and doomed that campaign before it even began.
Leaving aside the usual anti-Chinese rhetoric from his lackeys like Well Done Angus, Dutton's + "" + dodging questions about helping first homebuyers ("see? I'm just like the rest of you!") were just some of the own goals that the Liberals scored. Trump ironically didn't play much of a part in the election outcome compared to everything else.