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Phead128

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Okay. Can China meaningfully impose or defend its interests outside its periphery? Let's start with something simple, like getting the Philippines to remove the Typhon missiles aimed at the mainland.
Using this logic, US failing to get North Korea to remove the nuclear ICBMs aimed at US mainland means US lacks meaningful ability to defend it's interest outside it's periphery, hence not a superpower? What a preposterous line of logic.
The tariff war was theater. To this day some of the US's tariffs imposed upon China and export restrictions on Chinese goods to the US remain. That's a handshake, not a retreat.
Tariff war was not a theatre, it was struck down in the US Supreme Court as a violation of US law. Things don't go to the Supreme Court if they are just theatre. The US doing a 180' degree turn on US export controls of Nvidia, removing the liberation tariffs, and removing the 50% entity export list controls is not a handshake, that is a huge concession in the face of a rare-earths ban.
 

GZDRefugee

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Using this logic, US failing to get North Korea to remove the nuclear ICBMs aimed at US mainland means US lacks meaningful ability to defend it's interest outside it's periphery, hence not a superpower? What a preposterous line of logic.
Yes, I personally believe the US is no longer a superpower. The 2026 National Defense Strategy explicitly prioritizes the US homeland. Iran is an exposé. I'm willing to wager money that an American invasion of North Korea would fail even without Chinese intervention or NK nukes.

Tariff war was not a theatre, it was struck down in the US Supreme Court as a violation of US law. Things don't go to the Supreme Court if they are just theatre. The US doing a 180' degree turn on US export controls of Nvidia, removing the liberation tariffs, and removing the 50% entity export list controls is not a handshake, that is a huge concession in the face of a rare-earths ban.
Has the base level of Sino-American hostility at during the Obama > Trump 1 > Biden > Trump 2 terms increased or decreased? All the things you listed are symbolic. The overall trend is escalation, not de-escalation. If you climb 4 rungs but descend 2, that ain't a true concession.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Okay. Can China meaningfully impose or defend its interests outside its periphery? Let's start with something simple, like getting the Philippines to remove the Typhon missiles aimed at the mainland.

The tariff war was theater. To this day some of the US's tariffs imposed upon China and export restrictions on Chinese goods to the US remain. That's a handshake, not a retreat.
Depends on how you define a superpower.

1. Overall most powerful stand alone nation on the planet - Goes to China
2. Country with the most wide-reaching foreign influence by diplomacy or force projection - Goes to the US
3. Country that is the unopposable hegemon of the world - Neither
4. Country that can contend for most powerful nation in the world by hook or crook - both China and USA
 

GZDRefugee

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Depends on how you define a superpower.

1. Overall most powerful stand alone nation on the planet - Goes to China
2. Country with the most wide-reaching foreign influence by diplomacy or force projection - Goes to the US
3. Country that is the unopposable hegemon of the world - Neither
4. Country that can contend for most powerful nation in the world by hook or crook - both China and USA
I agree with that. Superpower/major power/regional power are bins that inadequately describe power politics today.

The irony is that China is often unwilling to impose. Take the current Philippines' proposed joint energy exploration for example. A perfectly reasonable request from China would have been "we are not comfortable negotiating with someone pointing missiles at us." There's literally nothing to lose; the missiles can only be removed at this point and energy exploration is genuinely mutually beneficial. But China was unwilling to simply let the Philippines suffer and sent relief energy, weakening their position.
 

MortyandRick

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I agree with that. Superpower/major power/regional power are bins that inadequately describe power politics today.

The irony is that China is often unwilling to impose. Take the current Philippines' proposed joint energy exploration for example. A perfectly reasonable request from China would have been "we are not comfortable negotiating with someone pointing missiles at us." There's literally nothing to lose; the missiles can only be removed at this point and energy exploration is genuinely mutually beneficial. But China was unwilling to simply let the Philippines suffer and sent relief energy, weakening their position.
Agreed on that point. Why would China give Phillipines relief at all? After all the bellicosity the Phillipines gave towards China in the SCS.

If it was any other country, they wouldn't have lifted a finger to help. But I was really surprised that China did. It baffled me. Generosity will often be interpreted as weakness by many.
 
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