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TPenglake

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I'm not entirely clear on the rationale behind the construction of such countless skyscrapers and high-rise buildings. After all, instead of a single skyscraper, countless other initiatives could be implemented, more valuable to a community and its urban environment, while creating a similar number of job opportunities. Judging by my own experience traveling around China, megacities look impressive from a bird's eye view, but they fall short from a pedestrian perspective. Many road surfaces are in dismal condition, requiring major repairs or complete restructuring. These observations come from trips to Qingdao, Chongqing, Lijiang, Dali, Urumqi, Karamay, Beijing, and Linyi.
Can you elaborate on what's a more ideal city in your view?
 

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I'm not entirely clear on the rationale behind the construction of such countless skyscrapers and high-rise buildings. After all, instead of a single skyscraper, countless other initiatives could be implemented, more valuable to a community and its urban environment, while creating a similar number of job opportunities.
Construction of new skyscrapers above 500m has been banned since 2021 and new buildings above 250m in large cities (more than 3M population) and above 150m in smaller cities are severely restricted.
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Judging by my own experience traveling around China, megacities look impressive from a bird's eye view, but they fall short from a pedestrian perspective. Many road surfaces are in dismal condition, requiring major repairs or complete restructuring. These observations come from trips to Qingdao, Chongqing, Lijiang, Dali, Urumqi, Karamay, Beijing, and Linyi.
I was in Lijiang and Dali just last year and the roads were great, much better than roads in urban areas in the Northeastern US at least.
 

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I'm not entirely clear on the rationale behind the construction of such countless skyscrapers and high-rise buildings. After all, instead of a single skyscraper, countless other initiatives could be implemented, more valuable to a community and its urban environment, while creating a similar number of job opportunities. Judging by my own experience traveling around China, megacities look impressive from a bird's eye view, but they fall short from a pedestrian perspective. Many road surfaces are in dismal condition, requiring major repairs or complete restructuring. These observations come from trips to Qingdao, Chongqing, Lijiang, Dali, Urumqi, Karamay, Beijing, and Linyi.
Weird. I was in Urumqi, Karamay, Chongqing, Beijing, and the road surface is fantastic compared to Northeastern United States. Urumqi has malls and infrastructure that even makes parts of Shanghai look antiquated.
 

TPenglake

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I mean China dosen't really need this little kyoto when Xi'an (The original city) exists. Kyoto is basically a copy of Xi’an but smaller. Why copy a copy when the original already exists in China.

Basically this is just for the domestic tourism market but Beijing ended it.
Tapping into the marketing and reputation. Kyoto itself isn't even all that traditional, outside of a few temples in its outskirts and one tourist neighborhood, its just like any other steel and concrete Japanese city. It's just that Japan happened to market it well through soft power.

China has many cities with a more traditional feel. In fact many Chinese say Datong is the country's Kyoto, even if many of the buildings there are modern constructions, but hey so is Kyoto. The city's most famous landmark, the Golden Temple, is a construction dated back to the 1950s after the original was burned down. (And wasn't even golden to begin with)
 

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I'm not entirely clear on the rationale behind the construction of such countless skyscrapers and high-rise buildings. After all, instead of a single skyscraper, countless other initiatives could be implemented, more valuable to a community and its urban environment, while creating a similar number of job opportunities. Judging by my own experience traveling around China, megacities look impressive from a bird's eye view, but they fall short from a pedestrian perspective. Many road surfaces are in dismal condition, requiring major repairs or complete restructuring. These observations come from trips to Qingdao, Chongqing, Lijiang, Dali, Urumqi, Karamay, Beijing, and Linyi.
When the heck did you make the travel? 1990's? early 2000's...I have no idea what neighborhoods you visited at the cities you mentioned because that's not the experience from the people I know that still have families back in China that goes back and forth to Canada. I am also looking forward to my visit in the next couple of weeks to Hangzhou, Qingdao, Shanghai and possibly Xinjiang (time permitting).
 
Still why copy Kyoto when they can just copy Xi’an/Chang’an
To educate visitors that Japanese culture (minus the modern perverted crap) is actually cloned from Tang Chinese culture, and that the natural order of Sino-Japanese relations is that of Japan as the student/tributary and China as the teacher/hegemon.
much better than roads in urban areas in the Northeastern US at least.
and the road surface is fantastic compared to Northeastern United States
I actually don't understand why roads in the Northeast are so bad. Roads are resurfaced with asphalt on a regular basis, yet within 2-3 years potholes begin to form again. Perhaps using reinforced concrete as is done in China would be better than using asphalt?
 
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[The] lesson the world learns is even harsher: America will make decisions about your energy supply, take no responsibility for the consequences, and then leave. China will sell you the technology that allows you to stop caring about what the US does.


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China exports lots of EV cars and China also exports the cheapest way to power them - solar.
 

Valentine

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When the heck did you make the travel? 1990's? early 2000's...I have no idea what neighborhoods you visited at the cities you mentioned because that's not the experience from the people I know that still have families back in China that goes back and forth to Canada. I am also looking forward to my visit in the next couple of weeks to Hangzhou, Qingdao, Shanghai and possibly Xinjiang (time permitting).
2025 Dali, near the Three Pagodas Park. The road surfaces, especially the pedestrian walkways, are made of flimsy, low-cost materials, which were also laid haphazardly. As a result, cracks and dirt washed out from under the paving slabs were present along the entire road. There's a clear shortage of trash cans and a complete disregard for their cleaning, leading to overflowing containers. The road surface for cars, although free of potholes, is uneven, making driving feel like being tossed around on waves. The lack of parking spaces, or rather, the complete disregard for this problem by urban planners, forces cars to park on pedestrian and bicycle paths, further damaging the surface and exacerbating the problem. This is just one city; I won't mention Chongqing; The city is magnificent for cyberpunk-style photography, but uninhabitable for the same reasons: the facades are depressing, even though they don't require a full-scale restoration; simply cleaning them of dirt is sufficient. The sidewalks are uneven, and are also cluttered with makeshift concrete steps outside private shops; I even had to help an elderly woman cross them. And there are many other factors.

Can you elaborate on what's a more ideal city in your view?
What do you mean by cities? How should I know? I'm speaking from my travels and observations of the differences between cities. China sorely lacks human scale and finesse in urban planning; everything boils down to mega-structures of enclosed spaces, completely destroying any mobility for pedestrians without a car or transport. The same goes for the quality of construction and urban planning. Never mind the high-rises—even with them, human scale can be maintained, rather than building 20 cities just to be bigger and taller, with no regard for quality or basic urban planning principles.
 
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