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A potato

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Thecore said:
I agree but also disagree. Despite the cosmopolitan nature of Shanghai resulting in a lot of west/Japan love, paradoxically, the proximity to this cosmopolitan nature of the city also strengthened Chinese national spirit because true patriots also saw the degradation and degeneration that love of foreign culture and practices invited into the country. Hence the founding of the communist party in 1921 in Shanghai, of all places. Yes, I suppose that it's arguable that the founding of the Communist Party of China was in itself an invitation of foreign thought through Marx and Lenin, but we can see today that the ultimate result of this was the expulsion of the poison that foreign wealth that incentivized greed amongst the comprador class and the true seizing of control by the real masses of Chinese people/proletariat class.
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Yeah but for some reason they decided to “preserve history” (preserve the nice buildings) for tourism purposes and branding and that leads us back to square 1. Even the local governments are involve as they straight up rewrite history to make the period look good and what’s even more surprising is that Beijing lets this slides. Dalian for example is infamous for being the most pro japan city in the whole country rivalling that of Taiwan for similar reasons (both colonized).
 
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dingyibvs

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I dont think deindustrialization can be reversed. this 5% of GDP NATO figure will not matter infact it will have opposite effect of increasing deindustrialization.
They say in 5 years UK car industry will be finished. its already import depended so not like its sovereign industry.

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The difficulty in reversing deindustrialization is that the entire economic structure of western societies is geared toward a deindustrialized society, so that the resources needed for industrial purposes are now being used in fields that would earn many times the money.

For example, among my group of friends, 5 of us studied some form of Engineering in college, and all 5 of us are doing something else (EE -> Physician, Finance. BioE -> Physician, Dentist, Construction contractor). We're all earning many multiples of what a typical engineer from our field of study would be earning right now, and the ratio would probably get even worse as we get older. In order to reindustrialize, they would need to spend many multiples of what they're spending now just to retain even the meager number of engineers they're educating to stay in the field.
 
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Yeah but for some reason they decided to “preserve history” (preserve the nice buildings) for tourism purposes and branding and that leads us back to square 1. Even the local governments are involve as they straight up rewrite history to make the period look good and what’s even more surprising is that Beijing lets this slides. Dalian for example is infamous for being the most pro japan city in the whole country rivalling that of Taiwan for similar reasons (both colonized).
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I can see your perspective of how the preservation of the Bund is in some way, an everlasting tribute to a humiliating period in China's history. At the same time, I think it can be argued (as many others have throughout the last couple of decades) that preserving the Bund and building up Pudong, towering directly across the Bund and Huangpu River is a message that China is sending of "We recognize our history, our pain, our sacrifices, but look where we are now because we never gave up."

Sorry if I'm sounding a little sentimental. Just came back from a friend's birthday party and I'm a little drunk.

As of Dalian's love of Japan, I admit ignorance and I'd have to look more into it and possibly visit to get a sense of everything there. Though ironically, my parents did visit a couple of years ago and they sent me photos of a huge Anime cosplay convention they came across when walking around in the CBD area, lol.
 
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The Hudson Institute’s writer and Research Fellow Zineb Riboua claims the era of China being the main buyer of Iranian oil with a “steep discount” is ending.

“It’s the United States that decides on when and which tankers are going to China,” Ms Riboua told Sky News host James Morrow.

“It means that these decades of China profiting and being the main buyer of Iranian oil with a steep discount, I think that era is ending.”
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Zineb Riboua is a research fellow with Hudson Institute’s Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East. She specializes in Chinese and Russian involvement in the Middle East, the Sahel, and North Africa, great power competition in the region, and Israeli-Arab relations.

Prior to joining Hudson Institute, Ms. Riboua was a research assistant at the Center for Jewish Civilization at Georgetown University, where she worked on Jewish identity in Morocco, Moroccan-Israeli relations, and the cultural impacts of the Abraham Accords.

Ms. Riboua’s pieces and commentary have been published in the Wall Street Journal, Foreign Policy, the National Interest, the Jerusalem Post, Tablet, and other outlets.

Ms. Riboua is an associate at the Association for Global Political Thought at Harvard University and a member of Tikvah Fund’s Young Professional Advisory Council.

Ms. Riboua holds a master’s of public policy from the McCourt School of Public Policy at Georgetown University and a certificate in international relations and politics from Magdalene College, Cambridge University. She did her undergraduate studies in France, where she attended French preparatory classes and HEC Paris’ Grande Ecole program. Ms. Riboua is a native of Morocco, and she speaks Arabic and French.
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A potato said:
Yeah but for some reason they decided to “preserve history” (preserve the nice buildings) for tourism purposes and branding and that leads us back to square 1. Even the local governments are involve as they straight up rewrite history to make the period look good and what’s even more surprising is that Beijing lets this slides. Dalian for example is infamous for being the most pro japan city in the whole country rivalling that of Taiwan for similar reasons (both colonized).
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Shanghai is both the Shanghai of the Lujiazui Financial District and the Shanghai of the Jiangnan Shipyard
 
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