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Musk is importing solar production equipment from China to establish a massive solar production capacity of 100 gigawatts per year in the United States. Is this detrimental to China?
Why the hell would it be detrimental? As long as Chinese companies are making profit that they can reinvest into R&D and scaling up production, green energy products should be sold to all countries. Added benefit of slowing down climate change.
 

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Musk is importing solar production equipment from China to establish a massive solar production capacity of 100 gigawatts per year in the United States. Is this detrimental to China?
I think China manufactures ~1.2TW annually. I don't think Elon's planned capacity is particularly detrimental to China, although it does remove some dependence on Chinese solar, which maybe could be relevant in the future. But if anything, increasing American production does one of two things: either American demand for precursor materials goes up (buys from China), or America buys all the equipment necessary to build the precursor manufacturer chain. The first one is probably what happens, because the second one will take too long (and I think at some point the supply chain equipment will hit export controls).
 

pmc

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I wonder what the GCC's calculus is right now. If the war continues, then there is only one logical conclusion for the ruling elites of the GCC, which is that they will fall. The Israelis will escalate if the war continues, and Iranian retaliation will destroy the GCC nations' oil and water infrastructure. The GCC nations are not held together by beliefs, they're held together by money and living standards. Without oil money or water, their elites will be overthrown. The US and Israel will also be just fine with letting them be the scapegoats and replacing them with new puppet governments.

Their only chance for survival right now is to side with Iran, IMO. Refuse USIS military use of their airspace and put the ball in the USIS's court. This way even if the USIS choose to respond with force, they'll at least have the support of the people. More than that, they can potentially leverage their swing of support into a ceasefire. Carrots for the Iranians (funds for reconstruction), sticks for the USIS (refusal of air space, UST purchases). If they can manage a ceasefire, they'll have bought valuable time to recalibrate policies toward the now obvious reality that their survival cannot be guaranteed by the American military alone and that they'll need to utilize finer, broader diplomacy.
lol. You dont know Islamic world. GCC has not deployed its Soft Power against Iran because it knows Iran is internally going through demographic collapse. Crude exports cannot sustain its 90 million population with dipliated infrastructure and bombed out county with skills only for western world. when it lost UAE trade and airline traffic. 500,000 Iranian jobs gone in UAE.
Saudi divided India. (the same Crown prince working with US that led to 1945 summit of US and Saudi leaders)
there previous generations were so advanced. now imagine how much advanced is current Saudi. They are exceedingly polite and generous with other muslims.
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Saudi-Pakistani relations: A solid foundation based on shared faith and brotherhood​

Relations between the two sides date back to April 1940, seven years before Pakistan gained independence from the British Crown.
 

pmc

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You know what? I am drinking again. It is Saturday. Just drink more.

Then do not really know what I am posting about.

Saw this video, and I believe it was Prof. Yanis Varoufakis, he was doing an interview, being the guest on a podcast, and at the very last part of the interview, they talked about Russia and China, and the host asked, "Are you not concerned about Western values? Which state poses the greatest threat to Western values?"

Something like that.

What Prof. Varoufakis said was very straight to the point, and there was no doubt in his mind about that.

He said the state that is the greatest threat to Western values was Israel.

Because it was doing two things that were completely against Western values, that the West spent a lot of time, treasure, and effort over the last few decades to eradicate.

ONE was apartheid.
TWO was genocide.

Yet Israel was doing both. What could be more antithetical to Western values that those two things.

Prof. Varoufakis continued by saying, that whatever we may think of Iran or Russia or China, they are not doing those two things.

Guess the prof was saying since this being made a mockery of, then this is a threat to Western values because it is being undermined. That is what I thought he meant.

Those are powerful words. Because it speaks the truth.

To sidetrack a little, Chinese values do not change, except maybe Mao got some people to believe in the concept of serve the people, otherwise Chinese values have not changed since eternity.

But Western values are different, in that it is a process to try to improve it. Over the centuries and decades. Well that is kind of shot to shit when we look at the Middle East today.

Prof. Varoufakis had a very powerful point here. The host was taken aback, but there was no rebuttal to this.

What brings this to mind, is that I am drinking, and that I read an article during dinner time, by a famous right wing Canadian. He talked about briefly that Guardian article saying that a deal was possible with the British security advisor present at those negotiations before the United States did the sneak attack on Iran. What this Conrad Black said was that you cannot trust anything out of that left wing rag.

So that is the right wing's idea to all of this. Just shut up.

That seems to be the reality of Western values today. The left cannot uphold it because it is too weak. The right does not even care and wants people to just shut up.

Without values, does a civilization survive?

That is what Professor Jiang said, he said Western civilization will collapse!

Haha! Haha!

I am going to drink some more before going to sleep.

[rant] :D [/rant]

Prof Varoufakis as European understanding is rather limited. Israel cannot do this alone without foremost Scientific power of today.
Bibi is always looking for that approval and Putin does not want to ruin his polish image by associating with him.
Russia Islamic leader wants to annex Israel and Putin politely decline. in Putin view Israel is leftist state so rather portion of influence can be used against Europe.
The same logic Putin applied to taking portion of land from Georgia. Make Georgia unstable until such point that Russian muslims can multiply and expel Georigans. what is Georgia future anyway with decline of Europe and Mideast Tourism?
Putin want unlimited humiliation of not just Europe but even B and C teams of Europe like India.
Putin Anti-Europe message is combined with traditional values even in sports. Senior skater has to show her family with return of junior skater. These are things in youtube in english. imagine what is not in youtube or other languages.
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Netanyahu uploads clip of Trump saying Putin is ‘Bibi fan’​


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Putin politely declined the offer to "annex Israel

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dingyibvs

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lol. You dont know Islamic world. GCC has not deployed its Soft Power against Iran because it knows Iran is internally going through demographic collapse. Crude exports cannot sustain its 90 million population with dipliated infrastructure and bombed out county with skills only for western world. when it lost UAE trade and airline traffic. 500,000 Iranian jobs gone in UAE.
Saudi divided India. (the same Crown prince working with US that led to 1945 summit of US and Saudi leaders)
there previous generations were so advanced. now imagine how much advanced is current Saudi. They are exceedingly polite and generous with other muslims.
What can they do with their soft power without money, water, or electricity? They'll be even poorer than Iran, but unlike Iran they won't the infrastructure to continue the war with hard power.
 

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Germany pushes new military cooperation deal with Japan​


YOKOSUKA, Japan — Germany is seeking to deepen defense ties with Japan, with Defense Minister Boris Pistorius proposing a new agreement to make it easier for troops from both countries to operate on each other’s territory.

Speaking at Japan’s Yokosuka naval base after talks with Japanese Defense Minister Shinjirō Koizumi on Sunday, Pistorius said Berlin had floated a so-called Reciprocal Access Agreement — a framework designed to “ease the exchange of soldiers in each other’s countries and significantly reduce bureaucratic hurdles.”

Such agreements allow partner countries to deploy troops on each other’s soil more easily for training, exercises or operations by streamlining legal and administrative procedures. Japan has signed similar deals with countries like the United Kingdom and Australia as it deepens its own security ties amid rising regional tensions.

The proposal marks a step beyond Germany's recent Indo-Pacific engagements, which have largely focused on joint exercises and short-term deployments. It signals a shift toward more structured military cooperation with Berlin's partners in the region.

Pistorius framed the move as part of a broader response to growing global instability. “How close our partnership is has become clear in light of the current developments in Iran and the Middle East,” he said, pointing to Japan’s heavy reliance on energy imports through the Strait of Hormuz. “The freedom of sea routes must be guaranteed and protected.”

Germany and Japan share an interest in securing global trade routes, he added, stressing that both countries remain committed to the rules-based international order. “We are united by the conviction that the strength of the law must prevail,” Pistorius said.

The initiative also reflects a broader strategic shift in Berlin and Tokyo. As both governments face rising pressure from authoritarian powers — from Russia’s war in Ukraine to China and North Korea in East Asia — they are increasingly treating their security challenges as interconnected, translating those shared concerns into closer bilateral defense cooperation.
 

henrik

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Why the hell would it be detrimental? As long as Chinese companies are making profit that they can reinvest into R&D and scaling up production, green energy products should be sold to all countries. Added benefit of slowing down climate change.

The US is still imposing big tariffs on solar production equipment from China. Elon is just bluffing again.
 
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