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mshrief303

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magmunta said:
Iran is all the bark no bite. There are 10s of aircraft at the bases being readied to strike iran. What are they waiting to do? until they get bombed by these exact aircrafts? what type of stupid political games do they play? Iran needs to strike first to minimize potential, inevitable losses in the future when the USA and Israel strike Iran. Dont get me wrong, I am rooting for the USA; but to be methematical, Iran needs to strike first. It would be better for Iranians if they put math forward instead of ideology and political posturing. But to ask islamist clergy and Ayatola to be mathematical in warfare is kinda weird because if they ever pay attention to math, logic and reasoning, they wouldnt be believers in Islam in the first place. Good luck to the USA and all the freedom loving iranians.
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They start first can lead US to call it an "aggressor", and even call for Article 5 from NATO, and Europe will love to cooperate to solve their issues with US -- even canada will jump in. Plus, they won't want to make the Gulf use their forces to intercept iran's salvos & strikes to cuck Israel as US does.

China or Russia can strike first against USA, not iran or any other nation. Being weak make you lose the initiative and the ability to strike first. And that happen even more, if you want to reduce the ability of the enemy to mobilize it's coalition against you.

And the longer time it takes to start the war, they increase the cost on US and it's forces - as these deployments are not cheap in money or human resources - and gain more time for their preparation and industry to make more material...etc. If you can't match your enemy's strength then at least make sure you did everything you can.

And to be blunt here: Talk is cheep, USA won't dare to do the same the thing if the other side is on equal footing and can target their homeland in the same way.

Note: your wording and description for your comment as "logical" or "mathematical" are very childish, and show how immature your speech is.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Mmmeeeto said:
Also I don't understand the special status people in this forum think Pakistan has. I don't think it's true. China is willing to sell all its export products to any friendly country. It's just that most countries would rather buy Western weapons because
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Not true, China is not willing to sell their most advanced stuff to most countries. China doesnt need the money. Arms sales is about geopolitics and China will only sell to countries when there is a geopolitical advantage. This is especially true for highly strategic weapons such as missiles and air planes.

China will only sell to countries with which it has very close strategic alignment. Pakistan fits that bill cause it acts as a perfect tool to keep India off balance.

I dont think there is any other country that fits that strategic alignment that well. Not even Myanmar, thailand or any other countries in China's backyard is that trustworthy.

They can sell their low tech stuff like ground vehicles, corvettes, trainer planes to anyone including many african countries. But that doesn't apply to those strategic platforms such as advanced long range missiles or fighter jets. For those stuff China will be very selective and also only sell much older models.

Iran is not close strategically due to Iran's own desire and also China's desire to be neutral between Iran and gulf arab countries. So, China will not sell anything that will anger Gulf Arab countries too much.
 
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Nothing is gonna happen. Pax Silica is plenty of talk and no real action.
India wants to create a semiconductor industry that can substitute China's in the supply chains of the free world. With just a $10B budget. Jai Hind!

The US and India talks about Pax Silica breaking through supply restrictions. But everyone with a brain can see who have started trade restrictions in the first place. When they talk about "global" access. What they are really talking about is access for their exclusive club of nations led by the US and Israel.
 
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I think that the indians think that AI is like the Star Trek computer where you just ask it to do something and it's done-magically,total obedience like a cyber-dalit slave but it really isnt. Hence the constant utter obsession with AI which Modi himself hosted an "indian AI summit"which turned into a fiasco with pirated,rebranded CHINESE products like Unitree's GO2 dog robot etc and rampant theft of display products from many vendors.China being an AI superpower is basically unbearable to indians as it exposes them as tech frauds writ large.
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Modi also said "AI stands for America-India". Lol
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Mmmeeeto

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tamsen_ikard said:
Not true, China is not willing to sell their most advanced stuff to most countries. China doesnt need the money. Arms sales is about geopolitics and China will only sell to countries when there is a geopolitical advantage. This is especially true for highly strategic weapons such as missiles and air planes.

China will only sell to countries with which it has very close strategic alignment. Pakistan fits that bill cause it acts as a perfect tool to keep India off balance.

I dont think there is any other country that fits that strategic alignment that well. Not even Myanmar, thailand or any other countries in China's backyard is that trustworthy.

They can sell their low tech stuff like ground vehicles, corvettes, trainer planes to anyone including many african countries. But that doesn't apply to those strategic platforms such as advanced long range missiles or fighter jets. For those stuff China will be very selective and also only sell much older models.

Iran is not close strategically due to Iran's own desire and also China's desire to be neutral between Iran and gulf arab countries. So, China will not sell anything that will anger Gulf Arab countries too much.
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Azerbaijan purchased an HQ-9BE System. Azerbaijan is a western leaning country.
China was willing to sell Egypt the J-10C
Same for Indonesia. All of them are very western leaning countries.

Pakistan operates LockMart radars, wouldn't that be a concern with the J-35?

Also, Pakistan isn't necessarily China leaning. They're better described as neutral. Or maybe slightly leaning towards the west as of now.

Its just that Pakistan is a unique country because it fits these three criteria:
1. They're friendly towards China
2. They have money
3. Their standard for military procurement is based on what's more effective militarily. Not on what gives them more diplomatic leverage, or what can improve their relationship with said country

IMO, China will sell anything to anyone that offers the cash. As long as you're friendly. There's are no levels for what you can or can't buy.

On the last part, I think China has enough leverage that they can make decisions freely without fear of the consequences that "angering gulf states" would bring

Either way, I could be wrong. If anyone has a source that would better educate me on this topic, Please post it.
 
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