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A potato

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I think it depends on if the CIA/Mossad manage to install some sort of pro-western grunt government. Then Iran might become super anti-China even if it's a their own detriment. If its a government of their people's choosing, I wouldn't be surprised if they're pro-western but I'm not sure if it would be to the extent that refuse infrastructure investments from China. What (somewhat reasonable) developing country would refuse foreign investment/infrastructure? A more stable Iran would also make it more investible than it is today. I'm not sure what losing Iran today would impact future Chinese conflicts though, if someone has any ideas, I'd like to know too.
I mean the shah was friendly to china even if he was pro western so we shouldn't be to concerned because Iranian people know China did nothing to Iran compared to Russia.
 

jiajia99

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Could we see an temporary Iran-Saudi-Turkey coalition of the unwilling?
A normal leader would’ve been able unite all three without any major issues. It takes a monumental kind of stupid to make all three any enough to work together when their cultural and societal differences would easily keep them separate. Maybe the idea that Trump being the last president might hold merit because by the end of his term, the USA we might’ve known it now would cease to exist, if he keeps on harming the citizens that is
 

Chevalier

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People keep asking when China will make a stand, I think this is the line that China will actively hold. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the core interests China will provide lethal aid to defend. Being able to flip Turkey from NATO to China’s alliance will be a massive bonus, buts it’s more Pakistan and Turkey driving this than China.

That will complicate NATO‘s doctrine of using non western, non white cannon fodder (Turks arenr considered white and greeks were only accepted as white a few decades ago hence racial slurs against them in the anglosphere and the west). All that remains are the super soldiers of the Bharat empire.



unless this is posturing, you can view this as an internal civil war amongst western elites in par with WW1. The globohomo atlanticists fighting with red team MAGA, only they thought insulting trump by denying him his Nobel prize would be the end of it when in actuality, it may well cost them Greenland amongst other trade privileges. Ever wonder why Macron tried so hard to get trump to direct his efforts against China? Because thats how it’s “supposed to be”. The white nations bullying the coloureds only the trump presidency is hijacked by Zionist factions who see white nations as no more than the same cattle outside the “garden”.
 

vincent

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I seriously wonder how much of the Canadian Intelligence services have been subverted and turned against Canada by the US. It seems like these guys are itching to kidnap the entire Canadian parliament and deliver them to the US upon first declaration of annexation by Trump.
The entire apparatus has been captured eons ago. The first incident I can remember is the smearing of Ontario MPP Michael Chan. They are still doing it today even though he is no longer in provincial politics.
 

manqiangrexue

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The U.S wants to re-establish and maintain the petro-dollar, while all being less reliant on the middle east, and to be able to set oil and natural gas prices in the future. Trump has many flaws, but to blame his flaws for every tactical and strategical move is naive.
That makes sense in terms of Venezuela (although things might ultimately still not go his way) but not in terms of Greenland. Greenland is a very high stakes very low reward game; if that land was worth anything, the Danes wouldn't be such an inconsequential people today, but NATO is at the brink of falling apart due to Trump's aggression towards his allies. The EU is already saying things like how it's a blessing that even combined, they failed to stop China or Trump would be an unchecked godking, so if the US loses the EU, what chance does it have against China? It's totally cooked. Trump wants a legacy and "the man who acquired Greenland for the US," seems like a good one, espcially when, "The man whe defeated China" is obviously out of reach.
This sounds like cope. China didn't show up to Venezuela or Syria, refused to invest in and sanctioned Iran and North Korea and let all the sanctioned economies fend for themselves, because trade with the west is more important. As a result, China friendly governments are replaced with US friendly ones. The example of Pakistan shows what China can do if it does show up. But China appears too timid to go beyond its immediate periphery
You don't realize there are extremely significant differences between Pakistan and these countries? It is not within China's power to save countries like Venezuela and Syria, etc... Pakistan is a very special case because not only are they very close to China, making China's power projection very easy (as opposed to Venezuela, Iran, Syria), they are a people who are willing to train and commit everything it takes to building a modern military as much as their economy will allow. That is rare; a lot of poor countries will buy a few aircraft and radars to look like they have something on paper but fail in the maintenance, the training, and not bother putting together the whole integrated chain, ommitted all the items that aren't glamerous. Furthermore, Pakistan actually appears to have competent counter-intelligence, which is not always trainable as it is in the quality of people. Unlike Venezuela and Iran, when conflict happened, Pakistan didn't have to find out the hard way that they had 50,000 moles on the inside sabotaging everything.

For China to save those countries, it needs to be next level. I've said this at least twice already but I'll say it again. China's economy challenges and defeats the US first, then its technology can do the same built on the economic base, and finally, its military can follow suit built on its technological and economic base. It takes time and we've built our economy and technology to where the West cannot threaten us; we've even built our military to where the West cannot threaten us, but we have not yet built our military to where the West cannot threaten our faraway allies. Power projection is the last thing to come into being in a correctly structured rise, so we're just not there yet, though moving there quickly. Unfortunately, saving these countries is not in our power to do so now.
 
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supercat

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President Trump pushed U.S. oil companies to commit to invest $100 billion in Venezuela at a White House meeting, the CEO of ExxonMobil warned the company is far from enlisting and said that Venezuela is “uninvestable.”

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It sounds like that America's oil majors are crying for corporation welfare. The Trump regime may well oblige and hand out substantial subsidies to the oil companies, because most of their CEOs and the largest shareholders are Trump's buddies. While the oil is not profitable, the oil oligarchies involved can still enrich themselves. Eventually, it's taxpayers that bear the financial burden. It's socialism for the corporations, and merciless capitalism for the sheeple.

Today's philosophical musings: the life of one Iranian protester is worth more than 1,000 Americans who are killed by the ICE. By the same token, the life of one Hong Kong rioter is worth more than 10,000 Palestinians who are killed by Israel, except that not a single Hong Kong rioter was killed.

LMAO tweet of the day: the idiot really thinks that USSR = China.
 
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