You merely quoted what I already addressed. Who else would fund such surveys and how else would they be conducted without their domestic security apparatus arresting respondents? Do you actually believe China has much goodwill among the Iranian people or that Iranians aren't exceptionally sympathetic to the West for a country whose foreign policy is so against the West? It's not Israeli propaganda to point out that the enemy (Iran) of my enemy (West/Israel) isn't necessarily a friend to China, and in fact they have proven to be quite unreliable and incompetent in many affairs while obviously unpopular among their own people, though they'll probably remain successful at suppressing dissent through heavyhanded violence and digital surveillance.
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You claim that is misinformation, yet your reply actually proves it.
A country that has been sanctioned and bombed by the US and Israel for decades, had countless elites assassinated, and seen its treaties torn up like scrap paper—yet in 2024, it is still "torn between turning east or west"? China signed the 25-year deal with Iran in 2021. But according to you, Iran only decided to "silence pro-West voices" in 2025 after being bombed, assassinated, and becoming an international joke?
This theocratic regime lives in a delusion. It actually thinks it can play both sides. Here is the most important fact: China didn't need Iran to rise, and China’s does not need Iran for its future. In fact, even the Iranian people don't seem to need this delusional regime. The only ones in the China-Iran relationship that needs help are the The Mullahs themselves.
I can't even blame the Iranian public for being pro-West. After all, if the The Mullahs—who have been boombed for decades—still fantasizes about Western approval, how can you blame the citizens? I don't support Western-backed regime change in principle, but if this government falls, it’s entirely self-inflicted. And China will adapt and work with whoever takes over. Frankly, a new pro-West government might be better for business than the current Mullahs. China cooperates well with pro-US Arab states and even with Israel. Who is actually the one refusing to cooperate in the region here?
I don't think its as simple as saying the Mullahs are to blame for Iranians being pro-west. Iranians have been pro west from the Shah's times. It was actually the current regime that has always operated in a very hostile environment inside Iran where they always had to face opposition and doubt for their choices. Essentially the current regime changed the natural trajectory of Iran towards a pro-western direction to then towards islamic shia revolutionary ideology.
Over the years, Iranian have become even more hostile to the current regime so they have to tread very carefully not to make a policy that is so unpopular that they get overthrown.
Ahmadinejad for example was very anti-west and was also very instrumental for Iran's nuke program. But then after him Iranian public voted reformists to power, the regime could see that the public is fed up with the current life under sanctions and wants a deal. So, they made the Iran nuclear deal.
Even today, Iranians again voted a reformist to power. They have shown extreme pro-western tendencies through social media and street protests. So, Mullahs have no choice but to bow to public demands and ask more deals with the west.
The regime keeps making foolish overtures to the west because Iranians have constantly voted people like to that power instead of hardliners.
Sounds like they are calling the bluff.
The bar owners were selling champagne with their advertised “flaming sparklers” attached to it
It's misinformation because it's been presented it as if it's up to date data. The question of the poll is not whether people like the US or China as a country. I suspect most people in Iran just don't have a very strong opinion about Chinese society because it's not involved in their lives, unlike Russia and the US. The actual poll question is whether they want the country to choose alignment with the west or east if they had to choose one. From an individual economic point of view, which one would be more profitable? Be honest, do you really think that China would risk exports to western markets for the sake of Iran, even if Iran behaved perfectly as China would wish? I don't think so. Iran isn't that important to China and Iranians know it. So if you want a better life, actually being like their neighbours Iraq, Qatar or Saudi Arabia and hosting US troops is the perfect strategy because you get investment from both the US and China. If you fight the west, China will ignore you. That only started to change with the Ukraine war. You say it yourself, you get more cooperation from China if you're a US ally. Are you really surprised by the survey response from 2024?
When you say Iran you mean HSBC? Why are you spreading this misinformation designed to make Chinese people dislike Iran? It was HSBC that provided the evidence, Iran doesn't have any direct discussions with the US anyway
It's the station nightclub fire all over again. Narrow exit way, the same flammable acoustic foam used in the ceiling and the lack of sprinklers. You'd think people would learn by now. Don't get me started in the flaming champagne that's just peak idiocy.
The owner should be hanged.