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pmc

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crap like this is why I remain suspicious of Russia, remember that North Korea has sent her sons to fight and die in Ukraine and this is how Russia under Putin repays them? Hell, this is Vietnam betraying China after all the support during the Vietnam war.
North Korea also sent alot of labor migrants and made Russian language mandatory in schools and i think the road bridge is opening next year. but Putin approach most often coincide with Royal Kingdoms. One time a journalist was doing a long interview and Putin was giving history on each topic but when question was asked about Christmas lights or trees. Putin told her go check it out.
 

pmc

Colonel
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So you’re saying India blackmails the world by helping the enemies of countries unless these countries open the floodgates to let more hordes of Indians into their lands? Look at the infiltration to top levels in government from positions in elected to appointed to marriages to politicians and infiltration in the corporate world that Indians have been able to make in the US, Canada and the UK in a few short decades. No thanks. I’d rather let them follow through on the threat than fall victim into the trap.
Indian took advantage of opportunities in these countries. India is declining anyway. it is just west decline is so much that India still get education and work. If China want to have increase interaction with Indian People than Royal Kingdoms have set good example.
Royal Kingdoms have put India on tight leash. This India mobility scheme to Russia has Arabic background (Arabic Airlines) and this will further accelerate decline of India. This is like counter part to New Europe project.
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07/01/2025
Russia will introduce its own "kafala" for migrants. How will it work?
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Putin called on Russians to follow the example of the peoples of the Caucasus, who marry early.
 

montyp165

Senior Member
India poses a significant long-term threat to China. First, India and China have substantial territorial disputes. Second, India's rapid economic growth and immense potential could make it a formidable power by mid-century. Currently, Western nations are accelerating their decoupling from China and relocating manufacturing to India, clearly aiming to mold India into a second China—much like China itself when it first opened up in the last century. This will accelerate India's ascent toward becoming a global power.

In terms of national morality, India has a history of repeatedly encroaching upon China and has even weaponized dams to attack Pakistan. Were it not for China's formidable military strength, India would undoubtedly continue its aggression against neighboring countries. Should such a nation grow powerful, it would pose a grave threat to the world—especially given that India also possesses nuclear weapons.
As I've mentioned before, possession of the 4 Critical Technologies would effectively enable the total physical elimination of any target anywhere in the world no matter the size, which is why the accelerated rush to war by the US-aligned powers is occurring especially with the specter of AI-enabled applications looming overhead.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Sorry but India has to show good faith to China. All their antagonism towards China has been for the West. The Henderson-Brooks report admits the 1962 war was started by India not China and that’s been the center for all their hate for claiming they were the victims of Chinese aggression. When that report was unclassified after years of keeping it secret, Indians as usual spun it to still blame China. Why would they kept it secret for all those years if it favored them?

Then you have those reports that India helped Israel be their spies in Iran so they could conduct strikes. India and Iran are suppose to be long time allies with their common enemy being Pakistan. What happened to that? After the world condemnation of the genocide in Gaza, India chose to run to Israel to be their ally supporting them. And now Israel has basically declared China an enemy of Israel.

There’s suppose to be a joke in China that it’s easy to spot American spies in places they don’t belong in China because they somehow always dress like a stereotypical American tourist trying to act inconspicuous. Now they can have Indians doing those jobs but when they get caught, India can start screaming and yelling they’re mistreating Indians in China.

It’s always suspicious when anyone claims China has to make the first moves towards better relations with India. Indian antagonism has always been about proving something to the West. They’re the ones crying how their declared enemy China is throwing road blocks to them becoming a superpower because China is somehow supposed to help them be an alternative for the world and not China. When was China obligated to do that? Is that a part of the good faith they expect China to show them? All it does is show how weak India is compared to China that they need their declared enemy’s help to help undermine China for them. Then there’s this veiled extortion that if China doesn’t, India somehow has the power to do something against China. Like what? Threaten war? They do like covering up how it’s their fault.

Like the West chest-thumps with their military against China but the fact is they haven’t carried it out because they’ll suffer even greater consequences and have more to lose. They’re just hoping on the fear of it because they do hence why they think China will submit. So it’s just an empty threat of the desperate.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Alas, I topic I'm deeply opinionated on and have waited to discuss in depth. But in brief: I strongly believe China needs to take a proactive, direct stance towards India and pull them to China's side even at great cost. Failure means India will become a threat that puts the combined West to shame.

Briefly, we need to understand India's current ruling party, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), are very literally fascists:
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In brief, the BJP was created by a member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the oldest continuous fascist party in the world. Indian Fascism isn't about promoting a fictional "glorious nation" like European or Japanese fascists, it's about becoming the colonizer. To really drive home the point. Mahatma Ghandhi's assassin, Nathuram Godse, was a Hindutva and member of the RSS:
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That's right, the RSS wanted to become the oppressors so badly they murdered India's liberator.
This isn't even getting into the direct ties from Hindutva with Nazism and Mussolini.
Before the BJP and Narendra Modi's rise to power, Indian views of China ranged from jealous admiration to open admiration. That's why you still see Indians pop up in forums like these and broadly agreeing with the sentiments. The BJP's specific targeting of China as a boogyman may be from Mao Zhedong's support for the Communist Part of India (CPI), who were a major force in keeping the RSS at bay at the grassroots level. Over time the CPI fractured, China dropped its support, and the RSS found new allies in the West.

To make matters worse,
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to further the party's agenda. They're also responsible for one of the largest disinformation networks on the planet, spreading anti-China propraganda in the EU. From EU DisInfo Lab:
I could keep going with things like the RSS
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) but I think you know where I'm coming from. It is not an exaggeration to say India is a young and fairly weak country that is being hijacked from within by Indian Fascists. Unlike Europeans or even Japanese fascists, they're not chasing fantasies of glory, but to crush other Indians under their boot while attacking anyone and everyone who stands in their way.

There is no version of this where China can just sit by and pretend the problem will solve itself. On a practical level, letting fascism take root in such a huge country on China's border will be a problem in the foreseeable future. We're already dealing with the cancer of Japanese Fascism, but at least Japan is a stagnate country dwarfed by China in every metric. India may never become as wealthy or prosperous as China, but the Nazis weren't wealtheir than the British when they bombed London.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see China's relations with India mirror the US with Korea or Japan: unprecedented prosparity for fanatical loyalty in return. It is always better to have friends than enemies.
The only way it would make sense to draw India into China's circle is for that to happen naturally as Indian admiration of Chinese strength and accomplishments. It would NOT make sense to do it "at great cost" because whether India aligns or remain aligned to China is in Indian hands, not Chinese hands. Never make a big investment that you cannot control and never weaken yourself giving someone else gifts hoping he will like you in return.

Quite frankly, I think the whole thing is overblown. India has been aligned with the West eversince 1962 and even during the worst of relations, whether it be during the Galwan or Doklam incidents, India can't do anything to China. So, basically, if they're smart enough to align with China seeing our strength, then great. If not, China need not bear any costs to convince India. India is a country with great potential, but horrendouly weak ability to realize potential.
 

tamsen_ikard

Captain
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That's not avoiding war. Tell me how china will get back control over southern tibet without war?
China doesn't want to "take back south Tibet". They fully captured it in 1962 but then withdrew on their own. If they were serious about capturing that region, they would have kept it for good. China wanted to trade South Tibet for Aksai Chin.

"South Tibet" is on the other side of the Himalayas, its impractical to try to capture on control that region for China. Only Tawang maybe defensible since it falls within the mountainous Himalaya range. But rest of the region will very hard to control and supply. I don't see much benefit in China keeping it either.

I see this Border dispute as a way to keep India on their toes. China's ultimate interest is to keep India bogged down in the mountainous Border and waste resources. Keeping India busy, destablized and ultimately degraded will be the long term Chinese goal rather than fighting an actual war.
 

Maikeru

Colonel
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China doesn't want to "take back south Tibet". They fully captured it in 1962 but then withdrew on their own. If they were serious about capturing that region, they would have kept it for good. China wanted to trade South Tibet for Aksai Chin.

"South Tibet" is on the other side of the Himalayas, its impractical to try to capture on control that region for China. Only Tawang maybe defensible since it falls within the mountainous Himalaya range. But rest of the region will very hard to control and supply. I don't see much benefit in China keeping it either.

I see this Border dispute as a way to keep India on their toes. China's ultimate interest is to keep India bogged down in the mountainous Border and waste resources. Keeping India busy, destablized and ultimately degraded will be the long term Chinese goal rather than fighting an actual war.
I read somewhere that it's better for China that India spends on its army in the North rather than its Navy in the South.
 

A potato

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crap like this is why I remain suspicious of Russia, remember that North Korea has sent her sons to fight and die in Ukraine and this is how Russia under Putin repays them? Hell, this is Vietnam betraying China after all the support during the Vietnam war.
Russia sold T80U and BMP3s to South Korea to pay off debt.
 
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