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Xiongmao said:

China can buy Russian resources for now yes. But what about in 10 years time? In 100 years? In 1000 years? Don't forget Russia wanted to nuke China 60 years ago but was stopped by the US.

Also, are you seriously suggesting that Australia would be an easier military target than Outer Manchuria if Russia collapses? This is where the conversation started, go read back.

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You're doing a poor job at pushing western talking points.
- I don't know if Russia will still be an ally in 10, 100 or 1000 years, but America isn't an ally today and will never be, not in 10, 100 or 1000 years
- Russia does not want to nuke China today, America both wants to nuke China today and 70 years ago during Korea
- Russia won't collapse if China backs them, while Australia will be a much easier target if America collapses, and America will collapse without Chinese backing.

Both side are kept from collapse by Chinese backing, ergo, if China has to cease backing one side and cause them to collapse, collapsing America means taking Australia and eliminate a current threat without increasing Russian threat, while collapsing Russia means gaining no additional resources, eliminate no nuclear threat and increasing conventional threat from a current enemy.

Xiongmao said:

ok let's agree to disagree. In summary there are two strategy options we are talking about, ie

In the scenario that Russia is danger of collapsing, you either:
a) Support Russia, covertly if necessary, so that the collapse does not happen;
b) Do nothing, and if Russia collapses, take full advantage of the situation by grabbing resources/land if it is in the national interest.

Then you would choose a) and I would choose b).

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Option A is far better. Russia is structurally locked in a competition over Ukraine... forever....

Option B means chaos and war on China's borders, which will inevitably spill over in all sorts of ways.
The US will support proxies to bleed China

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Resources can be purchased. And remember that seaborne resource imports are usually the cheapest option because overland transport is so expensive.

As for land, China already has lot of empty land in Inner Mongolia and NorthEast China.
And this land has a better climate than Russian lands.

Phead128 said:

China can always get outer Manchuria in a few hundred years. Clearly, the United States is a more pressing and imminent threat to China. However, Russia doesn't treat Ukraine war seriously, so neither should China. Only when Russia goes all-in, war-time economy, mass mobilization, should China even remotely consider "rescuing" it. Putin treats Ukraine with kids gloves, China can't force the blind to see. I hope Russia can prove us wrong, so far, it's been disappointing. For China's sake, Russia needs to take it way more seriously and win.

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Whether or not Russian strategy of limiting resource use is ultimately correct is up to debate, but there is certainly logic in limiting all of society cost if your goal is to achieve sustainable victory through a protracted war. It has always been easy for empires to apply overwhelming force, gain initial victories but then fail to hold that victory due to overexertion, Russia is trying something new.

Last time Ukraine war got much attention was when Ukraine rushed into Kursk, the fact that Russia has not only taken it all back but are now advancing solidly into Sumy kinda proves this strategy has value.

leonzzzz said:

I am sorry. I am all for bashing Ukraine and NATO but this just sounds like Copium coming out of Jai Hind asses. Since when is strategic bombers thousands of miles this side of line of contact not valuable assets? Even if they weren't, the fact that you got infiltration all the way to fucking Irkutsk is laughable material.

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when you fly 20 bombers but barely launch 100 subsonic missiles than it certainly not meet criteria and it too much logistical burden to prepare these bombers for sortie. Not even hypersonic missiles are integrated to Tu-95. while other tactical fighters are equipped with it. This Su-34 is mentioned both at delivery and use in RT Arabic. A group of Su-34 can get much closer and use its JSTAR kind abilities for sudden strikes or give command to Iskander missiles. upgrade direction is already set.
infiltration happens because Putin has open borders with many countries. and these people will have left trail that can expose corruption in the system. he is willing to take the risks so people have open commerce. Putin approach is to put honey in front and than who ever get attracted is caught. it is not that Putin is not cleaning the system but that is happening through Soft Power. I cannot keep explaining Soft Power in every instance.

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@pmc
I don't drive my 2006 half broken Toyota truck often. Doesn't mean you can just come into my backyard and bomb it.

I don't think my backyard is comparable to Irkutsk and I don't certainly think my broken truck is comparable to Tu95s. But you get the idea.

White American speak about China how safe it is

Xiongmao said:

China can buy Russian resources for now yes. But what about in 10 years time? In 100 years? In 1000 years? Don't forget Russia wanted to nuke China 60 years ago but was stopped by the US.

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Xiongmao said:

ok let's agree to disagree. In summary there are two strategy options we are talking about, ie

In the scenario that Russia is danger of collapsing, you either:
a) Support Russia, covertly if necessary, so that the collapse does not happen;
b) Do nothing, and if Russia collapses, take full advantage of the situation by grabbing resources/land if it is in the national interest.

Then you would choose a) and I would choose b).

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Going for B is a wet dream from the Pro-NATO faction. Instead of a Pacific War over Taiwan. It becomes a war over Mainland China. Your irrational paranoia in getting rid of Russia over potential Russian threats will end of backfiring so spectacularly on China that it ends up in an existential crisis. Russia existences keeps Western Land Armies away from China Northern and Western borders. Their historical threats come from Europe. Not Asia.

Allowing the PLA to focus their resources for a Pacific Conflict with minimal security concerns over Upper China. Let Russia disappear and the PLA will be forced to divert huge resources, assets, and manpower to the other side of the country away from a conflict over Taiwan. The nuclear balance will disappear once the Russian stockpile combines with NATO for 6000 - 8000 warheads and points it towards China 500 - 1000 warheads.

Just treat all people who advocate for China taking Russian land as CIA bots,

Chinese web space still has a considerable breeding ground for Han Chauvinism. They show up in every comment section of videos showing Russian losses and advocate for taking Outer Manchuria back, ignoring the enormous value of a peaceful northern border.

leonzzzz said:

Chinese web space still has a considerable breeding ground for Han Chauvinism. They show up in every comment section of videos showing Russian losses and advocate for taking Outer Manchuria back, ignoring the enormous value of a peaceful northern border.

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Lets be honest though, the only reason China allows Russia to have stuff that was previously Chinese lands is because of Russian military power. Russia's legitimacy is pretty much tied to how strong it is. If it doesn't have the strength, it has no justification for a lot of its land.

Obviously its way better for Russia to win this war with Ukraine. But Russia is only as good as it backs up with its fist.