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tokenanalyst said:

A bit alarmist to be honest. The thing the angers me about these kind of videos is that these guys, the makers of this videos are Australian liberals and they are first ones to come out to defend urban white Western liberal crap. In the broader world, they know that children come at the expense of women. They know that reversing falling birth rates will be done reversing decades of policies , usually UN mandated policies. They know that pushing this crap could make states to restrict access to reproductive care to young women, already happening in the US. They know that motherhood is basically its own career, the poorer the women the more difficult is to keep up with other careers, the reference of husbands doing "homework" is a damn joke, that won't do crap to easy the burden. They know that means reversing decades of feminist propaganda for motherhood propaganda. They know will required a complete change in the economic landscape.

But they will be the first ones to complain with their crappy little videos.

Is like climate change, which I believe. The reality is: There are no good options and a MASSIVE nuclear energy build up can only partially slow the problem.
The two options are:
- An economic shutdown. No good.
-Geoengineering, shading. No good, plants and more important crops need sunlig

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What's the possible (if that's even available) option that can be realistically implemented to increase and encourage child rearing in both the developed and developing countries. It's an inconvenient fact to point out that the increased role and participation of women in the workforce have largely come at the expense of raising a family. Not to mention there's no ECON incentive under the current economic system that is capitalism that'll enable a family centric approach to this existential crisis.

If China does manage to stem the tide and find workable ways that increases their fertility rate we can be for certain that whatever methods China uses will be demonize to no end, only for these same damn countries to turn around and adopt them wholly. See industrial trade policy.

doggydogdo said:

Yeah, China smokes a lot, they are number one in share of death attributed to smoking. I saw more people smoking in one day back in China than an entire year here in Canada. If China fixes its smoking problem, it could get its life expectancy up to Korean and Japan levels
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I am not going to argue against the smoking issue, but only the comparison of life expenctancy. China is a continental sized country with bigger population and diverse living conditions comparable to the whole Europe and US. Comparing China with countries like SK and Japan is like counting only 10% of Chinese population (the size of Japan) from the big cities. To put it in a bluntant way, countries are never equal in many ways, contexts and perspectives.

According to , in 2023 US is 79.3, Europe is 79.1, China is 78 which is close. If we consider China only reached this level of wealth and health care in the past 2 decades while US and Europe have been in where they are since WWII, China can be seen better.

taxiya said:

I am not going to argue against the smoking issue, but only the comparison of life expenctancy. China is a continental sized country with bigger population and diverse living conditions comparable to the whole Europe and US. Comparing China with countries like SK and Japan is like counting only 10% of Chinese population (the size of Japan) from the big cities. To put it in a bluntant way, countries are never equal in many ways, contexts and perspectives.

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, in 2023 US is 79.3, Europe is 79.1, China is 78 which is close. If we consider China only reached this level of wealth and health care in the past 2 decades while US and Europe have been in where they are since WWII, China can be seen better.

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That Life Expectancy actually uses UN projected data, not measured data.

All of their data shown is from some math model in their head and has nothing to do with reality.

Measured data from US CDC shows US life expectancy at 78.4 in 2023 (no 2024 data).


Measured data from China by NHC is 79 in 2024, an increase of 0.4 from 2023 (78.6 in 2023).

magmunta said:

I have seen a report claiming that smoking is good for economies because one pays high taxes on cigarette, it doesn't hinder productivity,and one dies younger. I am not a china fan, but it's actually very good for china right now.

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Smoke breaks do hinder productivity. A good majority of people that discover they have lung cancer at an earlier age < 80 will suddenly spend all their $$$ or insurance trying to save themselves from dying early.

ansy1968 said:

@BlackWindMnt and you know what bro? this economic adviser say it's good for us, what the FXXK did this guy eat for breakfast.

Special Assistant to the President for Investment and Economic Affairs Secretary Frederick Go on Thursday brushed off the impact of US President Donald Trump's imposition of 17% tariff on Philippine goods entering America, seeing it as a boon rather than a bane for the country's economic future.

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So you have Trump shouting we want more factories to come back to the US.

Then you have this dude going full herp derp "well we only got 17% of tariffs so now American can build factories in the Philippines". No my low iq economic czars that goes against Trump's whole idea behind closing fortress US.

Overbom said:

I think it's over. I tend to not be too conclusive and draw conclusions very quick, but I have to say this. If these tariffs stand, and not get abolished or delayed in a few days, I can pretty much say that, bar military action, China has won the US-led containment war against it

US can put another 100% or whatever else tariffs on China if it wants. It's lights out

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You are probably right.
US is already in a very bad situation. Trump's tariffs are meant to force manufacturers to move to the US to reduce its trade deficits and improve its manufacturing.
Even if the whole world mutually abolished tariffs and continue to trade in a normal way, US deficits will get even worse due to US infrastructures and basic economic. Then Trump will have to enact new laws to mitigate its deficits and pay its debts. He will force every country with trade surplus to buy equal amount or more of US goods. This will cause other countries to diversify and to trade more among themselves.
Those countries will slowly diminish their US trade. At best Trump will create a situation in which companies will have a two tier manufacturing process, one for US and one for the rest. Even country will get hurt but US not necessary get any better.
Interesting times ahead.

The comments section of this ytube video atleast some commenters say that it was the companies decision to transfer factories..

magmunta said:

I have seen a report claiming that smoking is good for economies because one pays high taxes on cigarette, it doesn't hinder productivity,and one dies younger. I am not a china fan, but it's actually very good for china right now.

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That's literally the same logic as legalizing drugs. It worked out so well for the West.

Bellum_Romanum said:

What's the possible (if that's even available) option that can be realistically implemented to increase and encourage child rearing in both the developed and developing countries. It's an inconvenient fact to point out that the increased role and participation of women in the workforce have largely come at the expense of raising a family. Not to mention there's no ECON incentive under the current economic system that is capitalism that'll enable a family centric approach to this existential crisis.

If China does manage to stem the tide and find workable ways that increases their fertility rate we can be for certain that whatever methods China uses will be demonize to no end, only for these same damn countries to turn around and adopt them wholly. See industrial trade policy.

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It's why at the end of the day China needs to completely upend the socioeconomic balance of power to eliminate such ideological hostiles, for as Shaka of the Zulus pointed out, "do not let an enemy escape, for they will only come back to fly at one's throat".

iewgnem said:

Just like China was the only country able to achieve zero-COVID, you will find China is the only country on earth with the political will, industrial power and meritocratic, rational cultural needed to achieve the level of abundance needed to lower time-cost of expectations and solve modern demographic problems.

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I hope you're right, but it's typically Asian cultural strengths that are the very reasons why their demographic decline is so pronounced. The reasons highlighted for Korea's demographic decline are the desire for wealth and status, the hyper-competitive nature, and the overemphasis on a work ethic and discipline. China has many of those qualities which allowed it to propel to the top, but its also double-edged.

Just like it is already too late because of years of low birth rate for Korea, even if they can change the fertility rate to 2.1 overnight, China too has had years of the One Child Policy that are not reversible. You cannot materialize millions of 20 and 30-year-olds; the demographic deficit will manifest even if the fertility rate jumps to replacement level today. Having children is not something you can simply will into existence on a large scale; otherwise, other nations would have done it already.

Maybe we can have an artificial womb, but that has its problems, like what kind of society will China be if it starts manufacturing babies on an industrial level with the State as the only real parent? After all, even in that solution, it is the state that wants kids, not necessarily the biological donors.