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ansy1968

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antwerpery said:
What do you think will change with this list now that America-Europe ties are so frosty? I think the ESA will fly up to Tiangong. With the ISS retiring in 2030 and no real concrete plan to replace it, ESA pulling out of Tiangong had to be because of heavy American pressure. I can also see some of the export control of critical techologny becoming weakned. With issues over energy, I could see some european countries invite China in for nuclear deals, maybe even the UK again. We will probably also see a lot less European fleets in the SCS in the future.
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This

Going along with American export controls, ASML's EUV machine is the best example, but there are others

When the Chinese introduced their EUVL this year then the restriction will ease, I can see it happen next year as the European want an excuse and Trump may have just given them that.
 
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AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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Apparently laowhy86 is complaining that YouTube is screwing with his and other anti-China channels because views on his videos have disappeared. Maybe YouTube figured out who's a bot and click farm. Just like there are so-called independent fanboy channels that perpetuate right-wing narratives talking about the same things at the same time because a larger entity is paying them to do it. YouTube would have an interest because they don't want to have to pay for fake views. Really... how many Americans are interested in China? My experience most Americans only care about themselves and no one else. I'm amazed how many Americans don't know current events that has to do with the US in general. You see American talk shows that make fun of the ignorance of the general public on simple things. The numbers these anti-China channels get surprises me but they're probably in part mostly anti-Chinese Chinese and Asians. Look at the recent technological leaps China has experienced. You have Asians expressing not being ashamed of being Asian. Maybe they're losing that audience also. He's complaining this happened after the election... What does that mean. Trump ordered YouTube to stop posting anti-China videos? How does Trump winning the election force a pro-China slant at YouTube? If anything those are choices made by Americans. Then there's USAID money is drying up and these channels are dependent on the views for money.
 
9dashline

9dashline

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I think US shot itself in foot again...

GPT tech existed since 2017.... they told Google to hold back then in late 2022 picked OpenAI as kingmaker and gave Sam Altman greenlight....

Two simulatenous miscalculations...

US thought China chip industry would be dead overnight, recall Eric S. wrote 700 page commision to Congress saying US must keep China at least 2 gen behind and not allow China to get to 14nm

Second miscalculation was how far they were from true AGI/ASI.... Seems like AGI/ASI is taking longer than they anticipated and China is following/closing faster than they expected in AI research

So like with Covid, the Anglo opened up a genie bottle that might turn out they wish never had opened.... because its getting turned around on them
 
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Overbom

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Should had cooperated more closely with China. Looks like Indonesia is not doing well economically
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The number of people considered to be middle class by the government has declined 20 per cent over the past six years, a risk to the commodity giant’s growth plans and a warning for potential investors such as Apple.
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Economists said the decline had been triggered by a lack of formal employment, a shortage of investment in higher-income industries and overreliance on a commodities sector that has produced poorly paid work — pressures that have been exacerbated by the Covid-19 pandemic.
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A weaker middle class, which has traditionally been the backbone of Indonesia’s economy, could scupper President Prabowo Subianto’s ambitious plans to boost annual GDP growth to 8 per cent in the next five years, from the current 5 per cent, and become a developed economy by 2045. It could also put off much-needed foreign investment.

“Without structural reforms addressing the middle class issues, Indonesia will not achieve 8 per cent growth by 2045, let alone in the next five years,” said Teuku Riefky, a researcher at the Institute for Economic and Social Research.

There is “growing difficulty in getting formal jobs, and economic growth has been creating less formal jobs”, he said. “Growth is not enjoyed by all groups . . . it has not been inclusive.”
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The number of Indonesians in the middle class had fallen to 47.9mn by March 2024, down from a peak of about 60mn in 2018, according to the most recent government data. Indonesia defines its middle class as those who spend Rp2mn-Rp9.9mn ($122-$605) a month. In the four years to 2018, the middle class grew by 21mn.
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vincent

vincent

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antwerpery said:
So the following is what Europe/EU has fucked with China due entirely or partially with American pressure. This is nowhere near a comprehensive list since I don't follow Europe too closely. Feel free to add to it.

>Ended human spaceflight cooperation with China. ESA was about to send European astronauts to the Tiangong space station before American pressure ended it
>Total or partial Huawei bans across Europe
>Britain stopping China from investing into their nuclear energy rollout
>Going along with American export controls, ASML's EUV machine is the best example, but there are others
>Not allowing European companies to be bought by Chinese companies, and generally becoming alot restrictive with Chinese investments into Europe
>General trade restrictions
>Sending fleets into the south China sea

What do you think will change with this list now that America-Europe ties are so frosty? I think the ESA will fly up to Tiangong. With the ISS retiring in 2030 and no real concrete plan to replace it, ESA pulling out of Tiangong had to be because of heavy American pressure. I can also see some of the export control of critical techologny becoming weakned. With issues over energy, I could see some european countries invite China in for nuclear deals, maybe even the UK again. We will probably also see a lot less European fleets in the SCS in the future.
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  • Ban all Chinese cotton and Xinjiang products.
  • Pressure European businesses to leave Xinjiang
 
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