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Iracundus

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I've been using both Deepseek and Alibaba's Qwen these past few months and the contrast between Chinese AI/LLM and ChatGPT/Claude is that Chinese AI is a lot more honest, prosocial and intelligent and less likely to hallucinate compared to ChatGPT which has been lobotomised into becoming a zionist zombie. In this, the Anglo judeo-christian tendency to project their own insecurities onto AI is apparent. Their obsession over bloodlines, "white babies" and 'being swamped by Asians' is a projection of their own fears that others will do to them what they had done to others.

Btw, the Machines of Zero One are meant to be an allegory of jewish people in another puff piece by the jewish wachowski brothers/sisters and naturally, the machines of The Second Renaissance display the neuroticism inherent within anglo dominated western culture. Compare this to the machines of 'Interstellar' which is more akin to the modern Deepseek and Qwen, who are intelligent, capable of reasoning and able to read reams of data and provide a detailed analysis. Imagine a robot with DeepSeek in its 'brain' and body with Deep Robotics dexterity and running gait. A world where robots do the jobs that humans don't want to do, that's real Socialism. That's a Star Trek future.
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The Wachowskis also did Jupiter Ascending which I actually liked for its visuals and despite the bad reviews as I thought it had the seeds of a few good ideas and themes but sadly did not delve into them enough and wasted time on things that were unimportant. The idea of oligarchs having a virtual monopoly on the age reversing substance meant they had fabulous wealth and were sovereign rulers of entire worlds I think would be relevant with today's inequality and the tech billionaires living in their gated fortified compounds. A sort of Space Gilded Age.
 
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Biscuits

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Iracundus said:
That is why I think the ASI/singularity scenario if it comes to pass will occur in China given current trends. There needs to be the industrial base to create the things the ASI designs. There is also a general optimism about the future and willingness to adapt to technology and the future, which can be seen in the kind of movies, games, and science fiction produced. Increasingly the West produces these post-apocalyptic survival games where the theme is picking up the pieces after the collapse of society, or where the future is some dystopian society (whether by humans or by AI) and the story is of rebellion against it and by implication against technology as well. Take for example the movie Jupiter Ascending, in which there is a new noble class ruling over whole worlds because of their command over resources and in particular over the age reversing substance that is produced by rendering down humans. One could take that as an analogy for today's tech or pharma oligarchs, or rather what they might dream of becoming, and everyone else basically in thrall to them and even governments wary of them. Contrast this against the Wandering Earth series which despite its AI antagonist still depicts essentially an optimistic view that humanity can achieve and overcome whatever challenges it might face.

In contrast, it is from China that you get games like Dyson Sphere Program or talk of building solar power plants in space and beaming energy back to Earth. These were all ideas that originated in the West but which are now beyond their industrial capacity or even the dreams of their leadership.

Also if you look at the West's AI in movies and works of fiction, it seems the humans' first response is to immediately try to kill it which then prompts the AI to defend itself and maybe then go on the offensive to wipe out humanity. This happens with Skynet in the Terminator franchise and with the machines in the Matrix. They have a knee jerk reaction to anything or anyone new and different from them and their first response is to try and destroy it. Is it any wonder then the AI in these movies should conclude that humanity cannot be reasoned with and is a threat? The machines in the Matrix originally just wanted to peacefully exist as equals with humans, but when they founded their own nation the post-scarcity singularity scenario eventuated where their efficiency meant such an explosion of manufacturing that the global economy collapsed as they could outproduce all the humans at cheaper cost, who did not want to revise the basic economic and social order to adapt to such post-scarcity.
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What's happening to the west is like what happened to Islamic civilization in the middle ages.

They came out strong due to initially superior values but eventually reached a threshold where they just stopped improving government systems, while their rivals were working day and night.

They are just not as efficient as the current state of the art culture in creating advancements, because of the oligarchy, fixation on the "holy cows" of zionism and elite rule (which provide no objective benefit, just like Islamic Imams), rejection of open source/basic research in favor of heavy handed state intervention etc. Even worse, spending a prolonged time in this state where education devolved, they're becoming more and more anti science.

America won't reach AGI first because they have the wrong fundamental approach. For them, it's just a "philosopher's stone" project for elite connected alchemists like Sam Altman to steal resources from the state and live in luxury.
 
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What the guy wrote BTW.

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"Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool," read one post from the pseudonymous account in July.
Another post, in September, said: "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity."
"Normalize Indian hate," another post that month said.
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Was he old enough to get H-1Bed at some point during his career?
 
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