You have way outdated numbers. LA/SF/NYC would roughly compare to Shenzhen in China, and in Shenzhen, workers at Foxconn, or more comparably a restaurant worker, will make about 6K a month with room and board. (Almost all low paying jobs in China include room and board)(Foxconn also include China's 5 insurance and housing fund) 6K in Shenzhen would be a much better life than 2K ~ 4K in SF/LA/NYC with room and board.
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Well, I guess we need a Chinese Expats Economics Thread!
40, not 50, million Chinese outside China includes all ethnic Chinese including 25 million Southeast Asian Chinese who barely have anything to do with even the ROC, much less the PRC. The last time they or their genetic ancestors were in China, Emperor Guangxu was on the throne. I mean let's get the facts right.
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'Real life sources' = anecdotes. Actual data says that half of all US citizens don't even have $500 in their bank account and it's been true for 7 years.
So are you saying that illegal Chinese who don't know English, have it easier in the US than 50% of US citizens? They can get a job easier? Or they're coming to the US to save $500? Or Forbes is lying?
Are you saying that Mexican visas are particularly easy for Chinese to get too? Because that's the only way to do what you said - fly to Mexico, then jump the border.
Yet Mexican visas require iteniary, proof of financial capability including employer paystubs, and to be applied for at the Mexican embassy or consulate, and to have an interview. They're not going to issue a visa to a penniless Chinese guy that doesn't know Spanish.
The cost to fly to Mexico is $3000 one way. Of course you'd never be able to buy this as that would make it so that you can't get the visa. You'd need to waste money on a 2 way.
20k RMB cash for someone earning as you claim 20 RMB per hour?
And if they borrow money, what's their collateral if not slavery? Not like you can take out a loan for illegal immigration from a bank.
No Foxconn worker works on standard hour only, they get overtime pay at 2-3 times the rate depending on when they worked overtime.
Also, read your own article, wages are down because lower demand from Apple, and it does not mean it will stay that way. Your article was from April 2023, and I checked today, the rate is 22-25 rmb per hour during 试用期, and 5500-6500 per month afterwards, also, foxconn provide free room and board.
here's proof from Foxconn itself.
普工操作工 - ordinary laborer/operator
5-8千·13薪 - 5000-8000 RMB per month, 13 months pay issued深圳-龙华区 | 1年经验 | 中技/中专 - Shenzhen, Longhua District, 1 year experience, trade school secondary
职能类别：组装工 - job type: assembler
工作内容：Job duties
1． 负责对产品进行导热硅脂涂刷；- responsible for painting thermal paste
2． 涂刷工具日常清洁维护；- cleaning painting tools
3． 产品组装；- assembling products
So a guy at Foxconn with the literal job title 'laborer' with only a high school degree, is being hired at 65k RMB to 100k RMB per year, with none of the risk and upfront cost that illegal immigration would entail.
There is the twisting facts part again. What does 50 million (a tiny fraction of China's total population btw) of which a large portion if not the majority are descendants of overseas Chinese who may not even be from the PRC to begin with matter to our discussion? If you want to play that game, how many overseas Anglos are there?
Straight up misrepresented data as already taken up by @FairAndUnbiased.
You mean regardless of statistics, you want to talk anecdotes.
Show me the illegals lol.
I'm asserting that a specific type of illegal immigrant claimed by unreliable US state sources but without picture/statistic proof or US higher government confirmation is a lie. That being those who fly to south America and then walk all the way into US. When the US state media makes a sensational claim like that, the onus is on them for showing that they actually have these illegals. Ive never said that there's 0 overseas Chinese nor that there is nothing to be gained outside of China for any Chinese, so you can drop the pointless fact twisting about arguing for those points.
For once, if you want to go to US illegally, by plane or by boat directly, through overstaying your tourist VISA, is by far the path of least resistance. And either the number of such people is low enough to slip under the radar, or US is completely incompetent at catching them. Because if illegals existed in the extent state media claims, it would be a huge PR coup if US regime could catch them.
The relationship between the people and the governmental elites in the anglospheric West fulfils all the attributes of an abusive relationship: gaslighting, narcissism, promises to do better with the people of the west fulfilling the role of the battered wife who always goes back to the abuser. Compare that to say the Chinese who successfully overthrew their oppressors and whose peoples'g government actually keeps the merchant class in line for the good of the people.
These people arguing in favor of poor, unskilled chinese to become illegal immigrants and chase the american dream doesnt realize that the american dream is already dead for the majority of americans.
Better to wash dishes in shenzhen than nyc chinatown. At least you won't get stabbed walking home at night.
Probably better to let the UK do it on their own like they did with Brexit. The way the hurt will be just as bad as Brexit, they will have no one to blame but themselves afterwards. Plus the uk is an expert at self owning themselves that China doesn’t really need to do much. Plus I am kinda enjoying the fact that many HK rioters are now breaking down from their utopia literally collapsing down on their sorry heads. Why ruin it so soon, plus the real power is the USA still, and sooner later like what happened to birmingham, the UK will go bankrupt and then they will start begging for help with no one but themselves to blame. Sure they will try to blame China but then again, the more they whine, they less likely for China to consider helping the UK. Like a long term revenge for what the UK did to China, all of it done via self owning because the UK has lost pretty much anyone with a brain to lead the nation. The UK is finished