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KYli

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Maikeru said:
From that BBN article it really looks like the Biden admin is doing the absolute bare minimum necessary to placate the frothing anti-China wing-loons of the GOP. Perhaps they really do want some kind of detente?
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It is all about election. Biden administration can't appear to be weak on China but at the same time it doesn't want to rock the boat especially before the election. It wants China's help in a few global issues but the US is unlikely to compromise and might even escalate for the sake of election. Therefore, any detente is unlikely to hold.

I am very permissive in any detente due to the fact that the political environment in the US has deteriorated so much and hostility against China within the political establishment, the general population, the MSM and elites are at extremely high level. Moreover, there is a consensus within the US from both parties that it is now or never to defeat, weaken or break China.
 
In4ser

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Breadbox said:
No, Europe's dominance is a a fluke and political division is the norm throughout the world, not unity. Countless other regions, India, Africa, Southeast Asia are conquered without breaking a sweat because hordes of local Sepoys and collaborationists would clobber their local rivals under foreign leadership without a second thought. Asian powers are NOT centralized, Continental Asia(China) is literally the only part of Asia that is politically centralized, the problem is isolation, not centralization.

Places like India and Southeast asia fell quickly precisely because they are politically divided, China is never fully colonized by European powers like India precisely because of its unity, it would take a painstaking campaign across the ocean to fully colonise it, there are no alternate power base that'll do the heavy lifting for you.

And where is Europe today? They have completely exhausted themselves because of incessant infighting, do not miss the forest for the tree, political division is a curse 8 times out of 10, isolation is the real problem.
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The political divisions are because the EU was not organically created but rather an artificial being cobbled together by bureaucratic laws and hopeful idealism. Germans, French, Italians, and Greeks are too historically, ethnically, linguistically, and culturally different to function as a cohesive entity. This is why they're better off separated into individual nation-states than chained together being dragged down by the weakest and slowest.

China works because it is able to sinacize other cultures for countless generations and is based upon a collective template with some leeway for regional variance. People have a general idea of what an average Chinese person is like but can you say what an average European is like? You can't just average out the difference between the differences between a Scandinavian and a Mediterranean person as if they're fact sheets instead of actual living breathing nations with unique societies.
 
Maikeru

Maikeru

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KYli said:
It is all about election. Biden administration can't appear to be weak on China but at the same time it doesn't want to rock the boat especially before the election. It wants China's help in a few global issues but the US is unlikely to compromise and might even escalate for the sake of election. Therefore, any detente is unlikely to hold.

I am very permissive in any detente due to the fact that the political environment in the US has deteriorated so much and hostility against China within the political establishment, the general population, the MSM and elites are at extremely high level. Moreover, there is a consensus within the US from both parties that it is now or never to defeat, weaken or break China.
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Not sure. Look at the much hallooed TikTok ban which has suddenly seemingly completely dropped off the radar.
 
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KYli

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Maikeru said:
Not sure. Look at the much hallooed TikTok ban which has suddenly seemingly completely dropped off the radar.
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China doesn't care if the US banned TikTok or not. China just doesn't want the US to take control of TikTok.

As for the US, it is more due to internal politics. Biden administration and Democrat senators and representatives don't want to agitate their constituents before election as many liberals and young Democrats are addicted to TikTok and TikTok has been more useful for Democrats to push their agendas than other platforms.

Libertarians and GOP fiscal wing don't want to cripple TikTok either as many American investors own a big chunk of TikTok shares that would make them a lot of money if TikTok went public. Senator Rand Paul and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez both voiced against ban on TikTok.
 
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KYli said:
Moreover, there is a consensus within the US from both parties that it is now or never to defeat, weaken or break China.
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To be completely honest, they are just being silly.

That, or they having one of those full blown panic attacks, like what Tony Soprano went through, had to go see a mob psychiatrist. Those were good scenes.

These guys and gals could not even defeat, weaken or break the Taliban, who did not wear shoes and lived in caves.

:oops:

If the United States strategy was to allow or concede China had the momentum and actually some clear advantages, and some leading tech, with the strategy of to get it together and rally from behind, that can work. It may take a while, but it can work, that is a viable strategy.

However, the strategy we are seeing from the United States is to assume full spectrum dominance, when it does not exist anymore. This fight against reality, the United States owns, and it owns it alone. This position of strength thing, really just an albatross on their necks.

The United States seemed to have made this judgement that they cannot compete from behind, in this competition with China. That decision is theirs and theirs to make alone.

That is why I believe we see all these bans, that are continuous, and kind of ineffective. In their minds, the United States is still ahead of China, and will stay ahead with these bans, and then they will regroup and get their act together, and they will continue on with their dominance.

Yes, that is what these people in the beltway believe. The same people who gave the world Vietnam White Christmas, Taliban comes home, and Ukraine brutalized.

Read their Liberal media, and everything is happening according to plan.

Like Shakespeare said, fools and knaves.

:D
 
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Chip companies, top US officials discuss China policy​

WASHINGTON, July 17 (Reuters) - U.S. chip company executives met with top Biden administration officials on Monday to discuss China policy, the State Department and sources said, as the most powerful semiconductor lobby group urged a halt to more curbs under consideration.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken talked with chip company chief executives about the industry and supply chains after his recent trip to China, a department spokesperson told reporters.
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Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, National Economic Council director Lael Brainard and National Security Council director Jake Sullivan were among other government officials meeting with Intel
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, Qualcomm
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and Nvidia
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, a source familiar with the meetings told Reuters.
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The chip industry is keen to protect its profits in China as the Biden administration considers another round of restrictions on chip exports to China. Last year, China accounted for $180 billion in semiconductor purchases, more than a third the worldwide total of $555.9 billion and the largest single market, according to Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA).
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Blinken sought "to share his perspective on the industry and on supply chain issues, especially after his recent visit to China" and "to hear directly from those companies about how they see supply chain issues, about how they see doing business in China," State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said at a press briefing.
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Charted: Biden's inflation-adjusted war chest​

The Biden campaign and the Democratic National Committee clearly outraised all of their potential Republican challengers.

Yes, but: Just as plainly, they raised less than incumbent presidents at similar stages in their campaigns — and those shortfalls become even more pronounced when inflation is factored in.
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Imagine gutting up to 100 billion dollars in semiconductor revenue and still expect the silicon valley elites to donate to you.
 
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