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Randomuser

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The anglos were always weak spiritually, lacking the cojones to back up their ambitions, relying on high technology to do their killing. Without a monopoly on high technolog, Anglo soldiers die as easily as Gazans.
I mean Europeans considered UK a backwater joke until halfway through the age of exploration when UK could now be relevant thanks to it's Navy and using it as pirates or colonizing other less developed areas to gain wealth.

There's a reason they don't try to pick direct fights with other Europeans and rely on French/Spanish/Prussians etc to do the heavy lifting first. Once they don't have a massive gun or naval advantage, they look pretty vulnerable and just hide on their island like they did with Napoleon plus both world wars.

This time however, hiding on an island won't save them from nukes.

Japan wanted to do the same but they don't have the navy to do so. In fact their major wars involving China mostly failed coz their navy messed up.
 

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I’m sorry, but that’s just regurgitating the loaded propaganda of the rich and powerful designed to fool the poor to act against their own best interests to take power from a benevolent state trying to protect them and give that power to the capitalists desperate to exploit them. Donald Trump is the poster child of the free market approach. He will send his lawyers in to bankrupt you in court and win by default even when everyone involved knows full well he is wrong. That is exactly the world the rich and powerful capitalists in the west wants, where their (usually inherited) wealth can buy them anything and everything they can dream of, and where they can use their wealth to destroy anyone who stands in their way.

If someone had a Time Machine and went back to introduce regulato prevent the Subprime financial crash, you can make the same airy arrangements about no one knowing the future so no one should do anything to stop the rich from doing plainly wrong and stupid shit.

All this hand wringing about state intervention being ‘brutal’ just sound naive and ignorant, as if free market collapses are a piece of cake. And you only need to look back at recent history to see how the capitalists are magically all for state intervention to bail them out of messes they themselves created from their own greed and hubris.

It’s funny you use the term ‘nanny state’, which was coined to attack the NHS. Look to America’s free market solutions before complaining about how bad the NHS is.

However, you do make some good points that state intervention should be minimised, and that is exactly what China does. It only acts to pre-empt major issues. The key impact of the Chinese system is less that the state jumps in and corrects everything, but rather its moderating impact in getting business and the rich and powerful to check their own worst impulses in the first place.

If you look at things purely logically, China is actually less interventionist than most western capitalist countries. For all their PR BS sound bites, western governments actually directly intervene in global markets far more than China’s government. The big difference is that when the Chinese government intervenes, it does so to benefit society at large. But when western governments intervene, it’s usually to protect the interests of rich capitalists who legally bribed the politicians.

Rather than being ideologically committed to ‘intervention’ or ‘free market’, it’s far more reasonable to look at why governments are intervening in the first place.

I do not mind what you say, just last part, the last paragraph, that is really bad for us in Canada.

I imagine that is better in China, but here, that is just a big story to raise taxes by the back door.
 
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US F-16 crashes near South Korea – media​

An American F-16 fighter jet has crashed in waters near South Korea, sources told Yonhap News. The accident marks the third time a US war plane went down in the region in less than a year.

A fighter pilot was forced to abandon the jet and ejected from the aircraft early on Wednesday morning, with the F-16 falling into waters off the coast of Gunsan, South Korea, near Washington’s Kunsan Air Base, the outlet reported.

“The fighter jet crashed into the water and the rescued pilot is safe,” one unnamed source told Yonhap.
 

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Looks like someone still has a penis in the Nordics
Actually, China should seize the opportunity and contribute more to the UNRWA, its budget is only $1.16 billion for 2023.

The Economist is at it again - deliberately gaslighting unsuspecting readers by using the annual relative growth rates of trade (relative to 2007) instead of actual trade data.

While The Economist demonstrated yet again that it is one of the last places you should go to in case you want to learn something about China's economy, listening to Eric Li will clear up your mind about China's future economic development.

Female Chinese diaspora reporter - nuff said.

Abandoning Taiwan while burning your own house down with skyrocketing inflation triggered by 60% tariff o_O

Would a Trump presidency change China's calculations on Taiwan?​

Republican candidate's indifference on island is among 'worst kept secrets in Washington'
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I see the white caucasoids also fret about Face above all else.
im old enough to remember how the Anglo western MSM kept nitpicking over Asian concepts of Face

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Good, divide and rule, let seeds be sown for a disunited states of America.

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im quite cynical about this, I believe it’s the Australian elite hedging their bets. They’d prefer America to stay on too but need an insurance policy in case they lose the war and get dragged in front of a PLA war crimes tribunal. Labor, liberal, doesn’t matter, their stance is always anti China, anti Asia, so why show mercy and consideration? Nothing less than the utter sinicisation of Australia will suffice.
 

tamsen_ikard

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I wish China did for Pakistan what Russia did for Turkey. Non-intervention policy is one thing, just letting US lol coup one of China's key ally is another.

What is in it for China to intervene in Pakistan's internal power struggle when every Pakistani leader will always be pro-China?

Pakistan knows US will never have its back if India attacks but China will always be beside them. This is just a reflection of fundamental interests. So for China, there is nothing wrong with Nawaz Sharif or Bhutto Govt or an Imran khan Govt. All the same for them.
 

enroger

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What is in it for China to intervene in Pakistan's internal power struggle when every Pakistani leader will always be pro-China?

Pakistan knows US will never have its back if India attacks but China will always be beside them. This is just a reflection of fundamental interests. So for China, there is nothing wrong with Nawaz Sharif or Bhutto Govt or an Imran khan Govt. All the same for them.

Agreed Pak's leader will always be pro-China even when they're US stooges. However I think China's interest in Pakistan goes beyond just having an ally against India.

China is interested in building up Pakistan's economy for multiple reasons, strategic hub for 1b1r, stable society against radicalization, market and labor for Chinese capital....etc

While a US installed government won't damage their security relations with China, the current Pakistan leadership has all the hallmark characteristic of a comprador class judging by their policies. It will definitely damage China's effort in building up Pakistan as Pakistan fall deeper and deeper into IMF debt trap.

If we take a broader view of the world outside of Pakistan we can see China is trying to build up an alternative economic system among the global south, this endeavor is difficult enough on it's own and nigh impossible if China is unable to defend it's allies from US interventions. It's high time the MSS stop being a hermit.
 

pmc

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What is in it for China to intervene in Pakistan's internal power struggle when every Pakistani leader will always be pro-China?

Pakistan knows US will never have its back if India attacks but China will always be beside them. This is just a reflection of fundamental interests. So for China, there is nothing wrong with Nawaz Sharif or Bhutto Govt or an Imran khan Govt. All the same for them.
Problem is without collective Gulf Arab support even China/US combined cannot rescue Pakistan. Arabs may not support as before.
 

vincent

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Agreed Pak's leader will always be pro-China even when they're US stooges. However I think China's interest in Pakistan goes beyond just having an ally against India.

China is interested in building up Pakistan's economy for multiple reasons, strategic hub for 1b1r, stable society against radicalization, market and labor for Chinese capital....etc

While a US installed government won't damage their security relations with China, the current Pakistan leadership has all the hallmark characteristic of a comprador class judging by their policies. It will definitely damage China's effort in building up Pakistan as Pakistan fall deeper and deeper into IMF debt trap.

If we take a broader view of the world outside of Pakistan we can see China is trying to build up an alternative economic system among the global south, this endeavor is difficult enough on it's own and nigh impossible if China is unable to defend it's allies from US interventions. It's high time the MSS stop being a hermit.
China’s resources are limited. Southeast Asian countries are much better choices for country building.
 
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