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KYli

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Not to mention he, himself, says that this is supposedly 'high-end' restaurant, bars etc.

Even if we go with his numbers being somewhat correct, those are only gonna be a minority of all restaurant and bar jobs, not to mention unlikely to be occupied by illegal immigrants.
For high end restaurants, the best you can get for a full 12 hours shift is around $400 to $800 for a very busy restaurant. Remember that a server in a high end restaurant need to share their tips between 40 to 60% to Bartenders, busboys etc.
 

coolgod

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Brother…maybe you didn’t read it properly or my comment wasn’t clear, I said the high end was $80-$300 an hour not random positions. Being a good female waitstaff at the right place pays well. These were numbers my friends, colleagues and in a few occasions working under me who were making as much. I used to make $2-5,000 a night working as a private bartender, and depending on how much I didn’t see that night it could go up to $8-10,000. Since my friends still in the industry haven’t been making noise about the industry falling (outside of COVID) , the numbers for the current generation shouldn’t haven’t changed much. I don’t know what to tell you other than you need to expand your circle of friends if those numbers seem impossible.

Residents make ~$50,000 a year because the American government pays a set amount to the participating hospitals who are training the doctors. And the hospitals are taking their own bite from that amount on top of profiting from the day to day work of the residents. It’s a metric completely divorced from the free market, it doesn’t mean anything.

A few family members and friends are surgeons, and if we want to pull American national data, it is easily accessible. I don’t understand what you are trying to tell me. But if you want to be more correct, you missed the fact that outside of plastic surgeons with their own clinics, hours tend could be longer than the standard work week so the average per hour wage is lowered.
Now we understand why even some Chinese postdocs get tricked into smuggling into myanmar to make money. Those call centers and illegal casinos also pay very well right?

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Biden aide held hours of 'constructive' talks with Chinese diplomat​

WASHINGTON/BEIJING, Sept 17 (Reuters) - White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Malta for hours this weekend, Beijing and Washington said on Sunday, as the world's two largest economies seek to stabilize troubled relations.

Both sides held "candid, substantive and constructive" talks during multiple meetings held Sept. 16-17, according to separate statements from the White House and the Chinese foreign ministry published on Sunday.
The Malta talks spanned about 12 hours over the two days, a senior Biden administration official told reporters. Sullivan last met Wang in Vienna in May.

"Director Wang, Please convince President Xi to attend APEC! My job depends on it"
 
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TK3600

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Now we understand why even some Chinese postdocs get tricked into smuggling into myanmar to make money. Those call centers and illegal casinos also pay very well right?

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Biden aide held hours of 'constructive' talks with Chinese diplomat​




"Director Wang, Please convince President Xi to attend APEC! My job depends on it"
Due to dysfunctional political system of US this is somehow more potent than rare earth ban.
 

Rast

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5000/8 hrs night = 625$ per hour. Let us now look up public statistics for what wages in US look like:

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So you're telling me when you works night shift you make more than 5x hourly wage as much as the median American 1%ter.

If I buy your statement, that means supposed Chinese illegals going into US are receiving pay that you'd need at a minimum 3 years in a competitive uni to get if you were a local American.

Why would any company hire a random paperless Chinese guy for 40$ an hour when the same cost buys you an expert American craftsman/electrician/architect? I can't think of a single thing the Chinese guy would do better, aside from standing around to make the US business look more "international" kek

And once again I'm asking, where are the people??? Where are the supposed illegal Chinese??? No comments from higher up US officials, no pictures, barely any documented deportations. You think the US regime would simply pass up such a golden chance to humiliate it's most feared enemy?

There are no people because there is no money in America to pay them with (anymore than they can already make doing shit tier jobs in China). Otherwise they'd pay the rest of their salaried workers more.

Oh okay, I see what the problem is. I was assuming you were either in the industry or at least were familiar with it. Or maybe its different where you are. I apologize for that. I should have explained everything so the average person would understand. So, private bartending is a cash, and now more frequently an app payment, based business. The employers, at least when I was working, know not to mark the app payments as wages. No one I know in that business actually reports income to the government, and the apps don't report non-wage transfers which is where the BLS gets its averages from. That website sources its information from the BLS. Also, the job I mentioned is a mainly Friday to Sunday. It's typically not a weekday one. Again, I thought you were in the industry and I didn't need to explain this. I know people who work full time in the restaurant/bar industry and was never interested in making that my full time profession. I can't give you any real personal insight into someone who worked their way up from washing dishes as an immigrant to running their own place. But I had a tenant who rented a house from me and then eventually a restaurant space from me who did end up doing this and he is a illiterate illegal immigrant who's formal education ended when he was about ten years old. So it is technically possible for a Chinese person to do the same.

So to be clear, I think you are also confused about core discussing being had. I entered the conversation giving the typical hourly wages as an average for certain industries, as much as I was aware. You seem to have latched onto the high end of the industry and at the same time seem to have conflated that with your conception that I am claiming these averages is what every Chinese person will make. I've claimed neither of these things. I don't understand where this misconception is from, sorry if you are disappointed with that.

When comes to the other numbers, I'm not an attractive woman who is willing to pretend every insecure man is deeply charming and interesting person to get them to overspend on alcohol (which the women get a percentage of) or in direct tips. They were either my friends or in some cases, I watched the cash tips being transferred and was making the drinks on the tab so this is how I know what they were making. I assume those wages were not reported either, I don't do their taxes so I can't really say. If these numbers seem high, I don't know what to tell you other than men become really foolish with money if an attractive women gives them attention.

That being said in my experience, I could see a few of them earning a $35-40 hourly wage if they had good english skills, basic construction knowledge, their clientele was wealthier people, and most importantly they have good social skills. I did unlicensed contracting for a few years at that rate. If they are willing to work 50-60+ hours a week, they can make a decent living. Its not what degree or if they have the legal right to be working if they are self employed. People generally don't ask basic labor what their immigration status is for unlicensed work. If you need examples, I can recount stories about the various random labor I was paid to do for about $150-250 for one to three hours of work but its really boring. Or the slightly more technical housing repair jobs at around $300-750 for the same amount of time. You will probably scoff at what wealthy people were more than willing to pay for if it concerned their home, but again the jobs were really uninteresting.
 

TK3600

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I highly doubt your experience is applicable to new illegal immigrants, but yes 50 dollar an hour waitress job is possible if you live in rich areas. I have seen places like that in Canada where people earn 50-60 Canadians. The people there are mainly old family business and entirely white. They do not go study in college and stay there in family business. It is also a ski resort though.
 

supercat

Colonel
So many lackeys in US occupied countries:

The global South, such as the Middles East, has no illusions about the US anymore, however.

Arms Megadeal Collapsed When China, Russia Links Emerged​

Failed talks between RTX and a Saudi defense firm show the kingdom’s difficulties in establishing its own military industry
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The End of America’s Middle East​

The region’s four major countries have all forfeited Washington’s trust.
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This is India. It is going to achieve absolutely JACK.
 

zbb

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Oh okay, I see what the problem is. I was assuming you were either in the industry or at least were familiar with it. Or maybe its different where you are. I apologize for that. I should have explained everything so the average person would understand. So, private bartending is a cash, and now more frequently an app payment, based business. The employers, at least when I was working, know not to mark the app payments as wages. No one I know in that business actually reports income to the government, and the apps don't report non-wage transfers which is where the BLS gets its averages from. That website sources its information from the BLS. Also, the job I mentioned is a mainly Friday to Sunday. It's typically not a weekday one. Again, I thought you were in the industry and I didn't need to explain this. I know people who work full time in the restaurant/bar industry and was never interested in making that my full time profession. I can't give you any real personal insight into someone who worked their way up from washing dishes as an immigrant to running their own place. But I had a tenant who rented a house from me and then eventually a restaurant space from me who did end up doing this and he is a illiterate illegal immigrant who's formal education ended when he was about ten years old. So it is technically possible for a Chinese person to do the same.

So to be clear, I think you are also confused about core discussing being had. I entered the conversation giving the typical hourly wages as an average for certain industries, as much as I was aware. You seem to have latched onto the high end of the industry and at the same time seem to have conflated that with your conception that I am claiming these averages is what every Chinese person will make. I've claimed neither of these things. I don't understand where this misconception is from, sorry if you are disappointed with that.

When comes to the other numbers, I'm not an attractive woman who is willing to pretend every insecure man is deeply charming and interesting person to get them to overspend on alcohol (which the women get a percentage of) or in direct tips. They were either my friends or in some cases, I watched the cash tips being transferred and was making the drinks on the tab so this is how I know what they were making. I assume those wages were not reported either, I don't do their taxes so I can't really say. If these numbers seem high, I don't know what to tell you other than men become really foolish with money if an attractive women gives them attention.

That being said in my experience, I could see a few of them earning a $35-40 hourly wage if they had good english skills, basic construction knowledge, their clientele was wealthier people, and most importantly they have good social skills. I did unlicensed contracting for a few years at that rate. If they are willing to work 50-60+ hours a week, they can make a decent living. Its not what degree or if they have the legal right to be working if they are self employed. People generally don't ask basic labor what their immigration status is for unlicensed work. If you need examples, I can recount stories about the various random labor I was paid to do for about $150-250 for one to three hours of work but its really boring. Or the slightly more technical housing repair jobs at around $300-750 for the same amount of time. You will probably scoff at what wealthy people were more than willing to pay for if it concerned their home, but again the jobs were really uninteresting.
I'm confused. Are you talking about typical jobs and incomes for illegal immigrants who don't speak any English?
 

Rast

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Now we understand why even some Chinese postdocs get tricked into smuggling into myanmar to make money. Those call centers and illegal casinos also pay very well right?

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Biden aide held hours of 'constructive' talks with Chinese diplomat​




"Director Wang, Please convince President Xi to attend APEC! My job depends on it"

I don't know anything about that business, sorry. I had some minor investments through family in some grey/black market private lending and lotteries in Thailand, but I pulled out many years ago. The returns are based on the lower salaries of developing countries, so it was more trouble than it was worth. Myanmar is all of the worst economic aspects of Thailand with none of the benefits, so I don't know much about that country. Now that there are opportunities in SEA if you have some capital, everyone I know is now legitimate and focused on legal investing. Even if I asked, once someone makes enough money, paying protection to local police is preferable to the local gangs, so they probably wouldn't have any contacts with that world anymore. would recommend making money in industrialized places (West, China, Singapore, Japan, Dubai, Saudi Arabia) and then using that capital to invest in legitimate businesses in South East Asia as a retirement plan instead of messing around there as a primary source of income.
 
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