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Most Europeans would want to stay neutral in a US-China war over Taiwan, study finds​


  • Across 11 nations, just 23 per cent said they would prefer to side with the US, according to European Council on Foreign Relations poll
  • Europeans are also ‘reluctant to de-risk from China – even if they recognise some risks in China’s economic presence in Europe’, researchers say


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Published: 5:00pm, 7 Jun, 2023 Updated: 5:00pm, 7 Jun, 2023

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, a new study has revealed.

Just 23 per cent of people across 11 countries would want to take the US’ side, with 62 per cent wanting to stay neutral.

The poll was part of a study by the European Council on Foreign Relations, which shows that many European citizens (43 per cent) continue to view China as a necessary partner with whom they would like to cooperate – more than any other category.


“European citizens aspire to remain neutral in a US-China conflict and are reluctant to de-risk from China – even if they recognise some risks in China’s economic presence in Europe,” the researchers wrote.

The study comes amid a lively debate about how the European Union should engage with China.

“The findings show that, in many ways, European citizens are more on Team Macron than Team von der Leyen,” the researchers wrote.
So NATO expansion in Asia does not make much sense. It will be even less meaningful after Russia's victory in Ukraine.

Google and social media are all thoroughly penetrated by US government's intelligence services.
 

SCSbelongstoChina

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I think that even today, not many people in China, the US and across Southeast Asia realize just how critical things were in the SCS - Or just how close things were getting to WW3 - During those couple days in July 2016.

The only official public announcement that even remotely hinted of the seriousness of the confrontation at that time is this poster:
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Behind the scenes, China and the US pretty much engaged in a stare-down contest across the Philippines and the SCS during those few days. While the US assembled two carrier strike groups around Ronald Reagan and John C. Stennis to the east of the Philippines, China pretty much had to scrape together all the major seagoing warships that she had at her disposal at the time (which, honestly, isn't many at all) and group them to the west side of the SCS.

To put things into perspective, while facing against the US, for the China of July 2016:
1. Liaoning hasn't even reached fully-combat-capable status - Shandong has just started construction;
2. Semi-carriers (i.e. 075) haven't exist yet;
3. Only 9 AEGIS destroyers (6 052Cs and 3 052Ds) available - 055 large destroyers haven't exist yet;
4. Only 24 frigates that can be called "modern" (2 054 and 22 054A) available;
5. DF-21D AShBM has entered service not long ago, and there isn't a lot of them - DF-17 HGV and DF-26B haven't entered service;
6. Fighters equipped with AESA just started to proliferate across the PLAAF - The 4.5-gen J-10C was in serial production for barely one year, while the 4.5th-gen J-16 and the 5th-gen J-20 just started serial production;
7. Modern H-6Ks aren't even available in large numbers - H-6Js and H-6Ks haven't even enter production;
8. ABM system isn't as complete and comprehensive as it is today -
etc.

Perhaps the only card that could possibly help China's odds and deter the US from launching direct hostilities is the 094/A SSBNs that went for deterrence patrol in the Central Pacific, where their nuclear-tipped JL-2s can reach CONUS within 15 minutes.

Although the scenario for China isn't as bad as during the 1996 Taiwan Strait Crisis (yes, the one with tanks and SPAs brought onboard boats to "fight against imperialist aggression"), yet the odds against China in summer 2016 is nowhere as better as today either.

Yet, China persisted, and the US blinked first. Beijing firmly stood her ground in the SCS, thus forcing Washington DC and their lackeys in Manila to back down (for at least a couple years).

Thinking how the PLA has grew massively powerful since then, we should probably lament how things were even tougher and unscalable for our predecessors and ancestors back then.

(This close-call is also why I truly believe that the Philippines should be severely punished by China in case of any hot war in the IndoPac theater, considering that Manila is the kickstarter of the 2016 confrontation and also the most annoying troublemaker for China in the SCS.)
Would you be able to link the source for this? I have been trying to find information about this event but have not found anything English outside this forum.

I'm able to read/speak Chinese but not familiar with the Chinese Internet.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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There's an ongoing wildfires engulfing all over Canadian forests and parks. From the west coast to the east coast province of Nova Scotia. These wildfires have made the air quality very bad to the point that Environment Canada has issued warnings to the public. The severity of the wildfires and its effects has even reached and affected NYC and other Eastern U.S. States.

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I wonder, if all the derisking that countries in the west like Canada has been pushing for, what would happen to the "pristine air quality" that they're oh so proud to batter China over with. I mean, I remember the complaints and the environmental issues caused by the steel industry in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. This is a commentary but as unfortunate this news is to everyone that lives in Canada including some of our fellow SDF members I just can't help but chuckle from the sheer hypocrisy and fragility of the folks here and elsewhere. Let's see how this country will handle the commodities needed to produce those "strategic rare earths" and other metals needed for the renewable sources of energy. Would their cities be smog, pollution free as well with a fraction of most Chinese major cities? Hmm...
 

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There's an ongoing wildfires engulfing all over Canadian forests and parks. From the west coast to the east coast province of Nova Scotia. These wildfires have made the air quality very bad to the point that Environment Canada has issued warnings to the public. The severity of the wildfires and its effects has even reached and affected NYC and other Eastern U.S. States.

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I wonder, if all the derisking that countries in the west like Canada has been pushing for, what would happen to the "pristine air quality" that they're oh so proud to batter China over with. I mean, I remember the complaints and the environmental issues caused by the steel industry in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. This is a commentary but as unfortunate this news is to everyone that lives in Canada including some of our fellow SDF members I just can't help but chuckle from the sheer hypocrisy and fragility of the folks here and elsewhere. Let's see how this country will handle the commodities needed to produce those "strategic rare earths" and other metals needed for the renewable sources of energy. Would their cities be smog, pollution free as well with a fraction of most Chinese major cities? Hmm...
A lot of these "air pollution" indicators consider dust/sand storms (as well as forest fires) as "pollution". Arabs have been living in it for thousands of years, and they're completely fine.

Besides the belt of cities that are neighboring deserts, the "air quality" in China is as good as it can get in any advanced economy.

Back when US had hegemony over industrial power, their air quality was about the same as what China has now, and just because they lost most of their capabilities to China, the pollution in America did not get noticeably better.

Health dangerous air pollution only emerges due to faulty filters and poor urban planning. The amount of health dangerous air pollution in China is negligible, as proven by a high life expectancy and lack of healthcare related issues.

Regardless of whether you're pro China or pro America, this is a hypothesis you should accept. If you're pro China, it lines up with the reality of living in China, where air quality is largely pristine. If you're pro America, you do not want to portray America as having radically better air quality than China, because Americans on average experience more early deaths based on such issues. So implying that US has better air yet more people die from it means indirectly insulting the government's healthcare system.
 

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A lot of these "air pollution" indicators consider dust/sand storms (as well as forest fires) as "pollution". Arabs have been living in it for thousands of years, and they're completely fine.
Arab life expectancy was very short and population did not grow much until later part of 21st century. now they are outperforming most of the world in demographics.
for industrialization either cold weather or tropical weather most conductive. I just look Canadian historical data. fire season mostly from July and more towards West Coast. This year it started in late April and in East Coast. so either abnormal pattern or arson.
if this pattern persist than Canada will need very large fire fighting force.

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Didn't Wang Wenbin say that he has no info about this? For all we know this could just be another in a series of scams perpetuated by the Biden regime.
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Xi: read my lips…

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