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MarKoz81

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The US dollar will remain the world's reverse currency, but it could go down in value.

USD can remain a major reserve currency and go down in value but it can't remain the "global" reserve currency and go down in value to any significant degree. That would cause a collapse of the system similar to what happened to the Pound after Bretton Woods was ended by Nixon.

EUR is major reserve currency. Its exchange rate fluctuates because it has no global demand floor that USD has. USD is the floor. Between 1975 and 2000 both German Mark and Japanese Yen were major reserve currencies and their exchange rate fluctuated for lack of global demand floor but they always had USD as reference. What will USD use as reference? What is USD worth? In 1971 it used the oil to anchor itself.

USD has global demand floor because of energy markets which are located in the US and price trades in USD. The markets are in the US for historical reasons - the US was world's largest oil producer until 1970s.


The use of Israel as an indirect threat in the region in early 1970s was crucial to establishing of the "petrodollar". This is why the US consistently backs Israel when it largely ignored it before 1973. While other threats like Iraq or Iran are transient Israel was always going to be a problem. It also reduces British and French influence in the region as these two countries are responsible for its creation and support (incl. nukes) post-1948 respectively.

The "oil shock" of the 1970s was really the dollar shock because as you can see from the clip the production of oil did not fall in the 1970s. The shock was caused by price readjustment following the floating of the dollar once it was cut from gold. That price shock occurred during Yom Kippur war when it was most convenient to do so.

The US refused to take the smart road in the 1970s because it refused to accept a drop of standards of living after 26 years of Bretton Woods. Then it refused to take the smart road in the 1990s because it refused not to exploit an unique advantage. There's no learning experience in the past. Institutionally and culturally they don't know any other way. The American Way.

And so:

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Under BW USD and GBP could used as reserve. In 1965 they held 73% and 26% of reserves respectively. By 1970 that changed to 84% and 11%. After 1971 GBP plummeted to 2,0-3,5% levels. Germany and Japan became new anchors with 20% and 9,5% reserves in 1990 while USD was at 47%. Which is why Germany and Japan paid for Desert Storm along with Gulf states.

With Gulf under control US manages to shore up USD demand to Japan, Korea and China and gets it to 70% by 2000 and 65% before the 2008 crisis. Almost BW levels of reserves. War on Terror was necessary to keep pushing USD. It was a covert way to put a gun to world's gas station like once Israel used to be.

USD has a de facto monopoly on energy trades and until that is challenged it will not drop below certain value. Everyone will inflate so as not to strangle their economies which is what happened to the EU. And conversely as long as USD is above certain value level and has certain stability it will be used for energy trades and the system will limp on until it dies.

What can prevent other countries from establishing exchanges in their own currency? Only threat to security - direct or indirect. But if China protects the Gulf to facilitate RMB deals it will only be a question of time before other actors will want to settle their trade in other currency.

So it is up to China to set the tone for what type of financial settlement the "multi-polar world" will have.

Presently the deals are for RMB-denominated trades that will lead to perhaps a RMB-denominated energy exchange but that's so there's force backing it while market is in infancy. In the long run a basket of currencies is preferable even for purely economic reasons. It will help to anchor RMB value at competitive levels vs other currencies which will not strangle exports too much while allowing for further convergence of internal markets. This was the flaw of US strategy of assuming nobody will ever challenge them after 1991.

De-dollarization is underway by tiny steps. In 2021 reserves in USD were at 58,8% while other currencies hold and RMB is increasing - from 1,08% in 2016 to 2,79% in 2021. Source for the above data:

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All reserves are decreasing in absolute terms with some relative rate changes.

With oil and gas traded in RMB the share should over time come up to 20% as vulnerable countries hedge their bets against the US both in terms of payments and loss of value. And that will come primarily from USD share bringing it down to 40-45% or so. Or more. That process will cause lower relative demand for USD which will bring value down and increase inflationary pressure that will be addressed by more inflation etc. etc.

There's really no point of stability for the US because it's lived beyond its means for five decades. Every country with a free-floating currency is accustomed to the risks. The US always had the world cushion. It doesn't know what it's natural floor is. It doesn't know what it means to live near it.

They have no export economy to benefit from lower value. They are an import economy and energy production can only benefit if they choose to set up an industry which will take time. But third-world countries have lower labour cost and US no longer enjoys technological advantage as in the early 1900s. And all the markets are constantly being contested by everyone else who had to produce something while US produced dollars.

And this is why the notion of "global reserve currency at lower value" is not viable. It has no means to offset its fall. It's already past that point. It can pretend but it's just different valocity of free-fall.

Falling on its own was possible in the past when US had lower debt, higher productivity, lower trade deficits and managed to get a budget surplus. That was also when Yen was sky-high and Japan was about to buy out the US. Those times went away in the 1990s when US made its decision to push on with Reaganomics even harder and aggressively force global USD demand. Democrats' shift to the right was the key factor. They are no longer capable of correcting the course, just holding it while Republicans have the ability to push it ever rightward.

Now it's been close to a quarter century of constant deficit spending and creeping inflation - and all that despite the opening of new markets for (plundered) data a.k.a. "the new oil" that are located in the US and denominated in USD. Most of that going to the top. Americans have more disposable income but lower security than Europeans for example. But the higher disposable income is only thanks to nominal exchange rate.

Think about this - salaries in France in 2017, after taxes in full-time equivalent. I chose France because it has relatively low earnings for a rich western European country. Germany, Netherlands, Nordics etc they all have higher income.

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Let's take the median (50%) and double it for households which in the US in 2015-16 earned ~$66k nationwide. Before taxes. France has EUR44k which at 1EUR=1,25USD gives $55k and at 1EUR=1,35USD gives $66k. Currently people at lower % in the table are angry because 1EUR=1,10USD and France is a service economy. US median needs to subtract all taxes, often medical and other expenses. Cost of living is cheaper but a lot depends on interest rates and exchange rates that allow to finance consumption. Those go up and all those people below median earnings are going to be hurting a lot.

Now lose your job in the US and you often lose everything. Lose your job in France and state cushions you to some extent. You will hurt in France, often badly. You will face death in America unless you have saved wealth. And I hope you know the statistics on that.

And that is a factor that I constantly need to bring up. USD losing value is not about some numbers. That's banker talk. We need people talk. For the average American cheaper dollar is about losing ability to put food on the table, keep a roof over the head and take care of a sick family member.

Those are the conditions for some funny-looking guys in uniform marching and making funny-looking hand gestures.

I would love for that article to be right. It just isn't.

Unless someone steps in to save the dollar before it crashes and Washington understands what it means - which they should since they did that to the Pound once - we are for a very rough ride. Britain had no choice. It already was fighting for survival because Germany was in a similar position and got rabid. America thinks it has a choice. And that is a very very dangerous idea.
 
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As far as a couple months ago people looked at me like I was crazy when I told them USD going to zero in less than 18 months....

December 21, 2022:
USD going to zero within 18 months was my prediction, that was 6 months ago...

November 21, 2022:
USD is the greatest scam of all human history, wont be long now... my prediction was bitcoin going to zero by end of year and USD to follow within 18 months

August 23, 2022:
I think its happening soon, very soon. USD going to zero within 18 months.


I guess that's not that bad if the USD going to 0 is always 18 months out. I can live with that.

o I was wrong about that but I said in the month of August and I also said if it doesn't go hot in August then I will leave the forum for good in shame.... so I have two more days if nothing happens then I will stop posting on here

Now about that bet to stop posting...
 

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A Biden-Xi call would be an obvious first step. But despite the efforts of U.S. diplomats, sources said the Chinese have shown little interest in committing to such a call, which would be their first known interaction since a November meeting at the G20 in Bali.

Blinken did meet with China's top diplomat Wang Yi at the Munich Security Conference last month after the balloon incident, but this did not soothe tensions. A source familiar with that conversation called it the most antagonistic U.S.-China engagement since contentious talks in Alaska early in the Biden administration.

The person said China had declined to coordinate the meeting, forcing the State Department's top East Asia diplomat, Daniel Kritenbrink, to personally track down Wang Yi at the conference center to ask whether it would happen.
In Chinese culture it's customary to bring the host some small gifts like a watermelon or a bag of fruits when visiting someone's house. Since it's know Americans tend to be pretty ignorant of foreign customs the MFA have kindly given them a hint:

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Or as Xi himself would call it "create the right conditions" for a meeting.

Those 301 tariff are already diluted as it is with all the exemptions being handed out, it's hardly a big gift. It does however mean US will have to acknowledge defeat in the trade war. But that's a Trump thing and had Biden team had any brain they should have kept that at a arms length from their own actions so they could play this card.

Until the yanks come bearing some sort of gift such as this they won't get a call. The CPC only gave them the time last time around because they let Meng Wanzhou go home and created the right conditions that time.
 

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Honduras announces that it breaks diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and recognizes the principle of one China, thus recognizing the government of the People's Republic of China


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Wild story from Alex Tsai, KMT ex-Legislative Yuan member on what exactly is the deal between Taiwan and Honduras

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, arresting then president Manuel Zelaya and kicking him out of the country. At the time two woman, a pregnant lady and a middle aged woman from the presidential house hold fled to the ROC embassy seeking political protection. On order from Taipei the embassy accepted the pregnant lady on humanitarian ground but refused protection to the other woman accompanying her.

She than ran to the Brazilian embassy for protection and they took her in. Honduran military threatened to enter the embassy by force to search for her. The then (and current) Brazilian president Lula was furious and said if they dared to enter the Brazilian embassy uninvited he will order a military intervention. Thus the Honduran military gave up.

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leaders fighting for land reform was pursued by military police and they ran into the ROC embassy for protection. On order from Taipei embassy staff evicted them and called in military police at the same time to arrest them, thus establishing a long term enmity between the left wing opposition party Libre and Taiwan.

In 2022 the Honduran opposition party won the general election. The new president is the same middle age lady that ROC embassy refused to offer protection back in 2009. Her name is Xiomara Castro, wife of the then president Manuel Zelaya.

So you can get an idea why she was dead set on switching recognition from ROC to PRC even back during the 2022 election regardless of any talks from the US.


Sigma female rule #437: revenge is a dish best served with tea eggs.
 

emblem21

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Joke's on you. While the rest of us go camping your organs will be harvested to cover your debt.
Man the USA is rapidly becoming a horror movie show right now. Like almost one step away from becoming ‘the domestic’, the one order and the whole nation implodes from Biden having a nervous breakdown. Still going into a binge debt situation is a little over the top, still better have a get away plan instead instead of remaining on a sinking ship, whether the dollar dies today or a year or two from now, it makes no difference, it’s still going to die because of the simple fact that manufacturing nations simply do not want to trade goods for toilet paper. Forget EOREI, the USA has the potential to never to worry about that, especially when it ceases to exist the way it is now
 
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