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siegecrossbow

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This South Korean article stinks of veiled Sinophobia.

This excerpt exemplifies what they were thinking about the Chinese people:

These South Koreans only liked the China back then where they could get cheap foot massages. Now when China is a peer competitor, they resent the China.

This article describes China's lessening appetite for Korean exports as mainly political. But politics that is initiated by some kind of CPC-led patriotism. Blaming China for 'over-reacting' to THAAD. Well why had South Korea not think about China's objection to THAAD?

The article goes on to explain that foreign businesses are running out of China because of politics and zero covid. Quoted from Western-analysts. Well it's only the big SK companies that are in a hurry to run out of China. The others are not too in a hurry. So screw these SK companies. If you wanna sabotage the Chinese economy, expect the Chinese people to retaliate. SK brands are no longer welcomed back to China.

The article then talks about China inevitable fall into the middle income trap because the Chinese population is getting old, because of housing bubble, and of course, because of communism. Source? Western analysts like Paul Krugman. This is full of copium. SK is in an even worse dilemma of the aging population problem. SK is gonna feel the heat much sooner than China. SK has good R&D, but it is still just no match for China. There is nothing that SK can do about it, not even pulling out all FDI out of China.

This article has a funny section that compares about the political situation now to the ancient politics of North East Asia. SK is Joseon, the US is the declining Ming, and China is the rising Qing. Finally the writer admits that SK is a small nation. Hopefully, this is an early step for South Koreans to move from anger to acceptance.

If I apply Paul Krugman logic then Kim Jong Un will be able to stroll into Seoul without any hassle by the year 2050.
 

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The article goes on to explain that foreign businesses are running out of China because of politics and zero covid. Quoted from Western-analysts. Well it's only the big SK companies that are in a hurry to run out of China. The others are not too in a hurry. So screw these SK companies. If you wanna sabotage the Chinese economy, expect the Chinese people to retaliate. SK brands are no longer welcomed back to China.

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China's actual use of foreign capital rose 21.5 percent year-on-year to $123.9 billion in the first seven months of this year, with investments from South Korea, the US and Japan seeing the fastest growths, according to China's Ministry of Commerce (MOFCOM) on Thursday.

South Korea topped the list with investment growth of 44.5 percent in the period, followed by 36.3 percent for the US, 26.9 percent for Japan, and 23.5 percent for Germany, MOFCOM spokesperson Shu Jueting said during an online press conference.
 

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Might come a lot sooner if Sterling continues to tank, the border with Hong Kong fully re-opens and the RMB stops being suppressed by the PBoC as it is at present
Hong Kong border reopening will have a negligible impact on the Guangdong economy. Hong Kong is a place for Chinese tech to IPO. Guangdong is where that tech is actually fostered and developed. Hong Kong is a financial capital that produces little of value. Guangdong is the manufacturing heart of the world's factory. It is Hong Kong that needs Guangdong, not the other way around.
 

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Hong Kong border reopening will have a negligible impact on the Guangdong economy. Hong Kong is a place for Chinese tech to IPO. Guangdong is where that tech is actually fostered and developed. Hong Kong is a financial capital that produces little of value. Guangdong is the manufacturing heart of the world's factory. It is Hong Kong that needs Guangdong, not the other way around.
By that measure the income generated by tourism in London has a negligible impact on the UK economy and the whole greater bay area initiative is just for Hong Kong's benefit........ It's not a matter of who needs who its a question of whether the numbers get bigger
 

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Funny that there's bit of noise again about trying to drive Russia and China apart, because I just became aware of this news, this news was released on 24th of Aug
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近日,中国船舶所属中船应急在北京成功签订了出口某国的动力浮桥采购合同,中船应急副总经理葛健参加签约仪式。
新冠疫情发生以来,中船应急与合作方通力合作,克服困难,及时响应用户需求,推动项目落地。此次合同的成功签订进一步巩固和扩大了中船应急舟桥产品在该国工程兵装备领域的影响力,为后期装备系列化推广提供了良好铺垫。

"In recent days in Beijing, CSSC's subsidiary China Harzone Industry signed a contract for the sale of powered pontoon bridges with a certain country, China Harzone Industry's Deputy General Manager Ge Jian took part in the signing ceremony.

Since the start of the pandemic, China Harzone Industry has worked closely with the contract partner, overcome problems, responded promptly to partner needs and pushed for successful implementation of project. This contact will further strengthen and increase the reach of China Harzone Industry products in that country's combat engineering equipment, and thus pave the way for widespread roll out of products ecosystem."

应急签订, or emergency signing of contract too. One wonders who this "certain country" could be...
 
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Good figures. 44.5% of FDI by South Korea, the largest of the FDI pie. Like I have said, it is only the big and well known South Korean firms like Samsung, and LG who were in a hurry to flee their production out of China. These guys should not be welcomed back into China. There are many other smaller SK firms who are still coming to invest in China. It'll be their gain, and the loss of those arrogant big boys.

I must add that moving production out of China to a cheaper third country is not actually strengthening the supply chain by diversification. It is actually a mainly political move. A true strategy for strengthening of the supply chain by diversification, is actually keeping production in China while also building production in other places. That way, a foreign company can maintain a more robust supply chain, and yet maintain special access into the Chinese market. Many Japanese, American, and European companies do that.

Samsung instead moved most of its supply chain out of China. That means that while it has a dispersed supply chain in SEA and India. Samsung had largely abandoned the Chinese market, while also cutting thousands of jobs there. No country would accept this willingly, not just China. To top it off, Samsung also declared that it'll join the US in suppressing Huawei and the Chinese tech industry. So there should be no surprise, as to why Samsung rapidly lost it's market share in China. They deserved it fully.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Chinese made machine waiters are slowly trickling down to American restaurants in New York as part of the food service industries answer to labor issues. At this rate, China is becoming like the now defunct RadioShack's company motto of: "You've got questions? We've got answers." China's motto is you've got issues we've got solutions.

 

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Good figures. 44.5% of FDI by South Korea, the largest of the FDI pie. Like I have said, it is only the big and well known South Korean firms like Samsung, and LG who were in a hurry to flee their production out of China. These guys should not be welcomed back into China. There are many other smaller SK firms who are still coming to invest in China. It'll be their gain, and the loss of those arrogant big boys.

I must add that moving production out of China to a cheaper third country is not actually strengthening the supply chain by diversification. It is actually a mainly political move. A true strategy for strengthening of the supply chain by diversification, is actually keeping production in China while also building production in other places. That way, a foreign company can maintain a more robust supply chain, and yet maintain special access into the Chinese market. Many Japanese, American, and European companies do that.

Samsung instead moved most of its supply chain out of China. That means that while it has a dispersed supply chain in SEA and India. Samsung had largely abandoned the Chinese market, while also cutting thousands of jobs there. No country would accept this willingly, not just China. To top it off, Samsung also declared that it'll join the US in suppressing Huawei and the Chinese tech industry. So there should be no surprise, as to why Samsung rapidly lost it's market share in China. They deserved it fully.
Samsung is expanding their Xi'an semiconductor fab while decreasing the manual labor assembly jobs because they're no longer competitive in China for finished products. This is a good problem to have.
 

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The biggest worry is that partisanship could undermine American democracy itself. Many Republicans cannot win a primary unless they endorse Donald Trump’s Big Lie that he beat Joe Biden in 2020. That year a coalition of Republican state attorneys-general sued other states to try to have their votes invalidated. Whatever happens in the November midterm elections, such sparring could proliferate. America is not going to have another civil war, as some feverish pundits speculate, but it has already endured political violence, and that could get worse.

American dysfunction poses a risk to the world, which depends on America to uphold the rules-based order (or what’s left of it), to deter military aggressors and to offer an example of democratic governance. It is doing especially badly on the last of these. What can be done?

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