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Bellum_Romanum

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ROC still existed in 1949, so that is why UN didn't change it's recognition. The civil war was not conclusively over despite Mao declaring PRC, since ROC is still alive, albeit a significantly reduced rump state in Taiwan island. UN is not obligated to recognize PRC because ROC still existed in 1949, not because some UN is beholden to US dictatorship.

If that's the case, then why did US still voted in UNGA resolution against PRC replacing ROC after it allegedly "stopped blocking it"?

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If US stopped blocking it, then why did US vote against PRC to replace ROC at UNGA, and why did USSR voted in favor of PRC membership (allegedly a US plot to counter USSR)?

Gotta have some consistency bro. Either US is against it completely or it's against it but UNGA still overruled US objections anyways. The fact that Soviet Union supported PRC in UNGA vote (while US voted no) is the complete opposite of your argument that US "allowed it" to "counter USSR".

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And yet UNGA's 2/3 majority overrode US objections to PRC membership in UN (and US also voted No during UNGA vote). If there was no mechanism for UNGA to override, then UN would repeat the flawed nature of League of Nations. Good thing it's UN Charter creator foresaw superpower abuse of power, and allows UNGA to override superpowers unjust exclusion of PRC.

I'm saying technically there is no reason why a draft resolution could not be introduced to invalidate Russia's claim to legal successor state to Soviet Union, as a response to it's power abuses. Perhaps retain permanent membership but strip it of veto rights. Whether it will pass is anyone's guess, but saying "it won't happen cuz it's powerful". People said the same thing about PRC replacing ROC because US is too powerful and objected. Well, thank goodness for power of UNGA majority.
Dude, it's very simple, it's called POLITICS. Are you this naive to think or even believe that by 1949 the U.S. wouldn't have been able to essentially stopped ROC from gaining the permanent UN seat if it wanted to since the formulation of the UN and it's Founding charter were created by the FDR and his wife, Eleanor Roosevelt. By the end of WWII the U.S. was the undisputed KING in military and economic power, half of the world's GDP was produced by the U.S. which is also why the UN is situated in NYC, USA.

When the U.S. established the relationship with the PRC in 1972 the American domestic politics didn't stop hating on Red China. And the eventual ejection of the ROC from the UN was calibrated with U.S. domestic politics in mind, as an American citizen you ought to have been more cognizant of this fact. Politics exist in everything America does. So what happened at the U.N. general Assembly can be described as a dog and pony show. So the idea that the ascension of the PRC into the UN was mainly due to the inner workings of rules and bylaws of the UN is hilarious and naive.
 

Overbom

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russians about to take the entire Black sea coast of Ukraine; earlier i saw the Ukr had mined the beaches which sucks if you want to go to Kiev for the holidays and dip into the sea. Might end up losing a foot.
Supposedly they are going to do an amphibious landing in Odessa. There have been some photos showing 4-6 landing ships literally in front of Odessa lol
 

Vatt’ghern

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Supposedly they are going to do an amphibious landing in Odessa. There have been some photos showing 4-6 landing ships literally in front of Odessa lol
I'm actually really sad; i was planning on visiting Kiev for a post covid holiday- guess i still could but i prefer not to have shrapnel with my beluga caviare.

A side note about the ongoing campaign in Mariupol; apprently the NeoNazis were also ardent followers of the newly resurrected slavic paganistic faither called Rodnovery
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with the ongoing clash in Mariupol i can see history rhyming in that the lithuanian pagans (Ukrainian pagans) are clashing with the Novgorod Orthodox Rus' (Russians) who would also have been allied with the Golden Horde (Islamic Chechens). Historically the Novgorod russians were vassals of the Golden Horde but in current times, the roles are reversed. Interesting, hey?
 

ansy1968

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I'm actually really sad; i was planning on visiting Kiev for a post covid holiday- guess i still could but i prefer not to have shrapnel with my beluga caviare.

A side note about the ongoing campaign in Mariupol; apprently the NeoNazis were also ardent followers of the newly resurrected slavic paganistic faither called Rodnovery
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with the ongoing clash in Mariupol i can see history rhyming in that the lithuanian pagans (Ukrainian pagans) are clashing with the Novgorod Orthodox Rus' (Russians) who would also have been allied with the Golden Horde (Islamic Chechens). Historically the Novgorod russians were vassals of the Golden Horde but in current times, the roles are reversed. Interesting, hey?
@Vatt’ghern bro reading your post, are your a history scholar?, IF yes please open a thread about the history from the formation of the Kievan Rus empire to the spread of Slavic culture to the adoption of the Greek (Byzantium) orthodox church as its official religion.
 

windsclouds2030

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Those who say #Russia has different options are clueless, Moscow has only one option and it is military escalation (going All-In in the language of Poker) to restore strategic balance in Europe, impossible to have any kind of dialogue anymore with #EU/#NATO.

Those who celebrate Russian "isolation" from the "international community" (US and vassals) are full-fledged psychopaths who are celebrating their own suicide because they might become targets of Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles.

#US and #China are the winners in this situation because the first destroyed the € and all ideas about European autonomy, will sell more LNG and its military industrial complex is booming, the second because it's becoming the most indispensable economic power.

#EU is the biggest loser because coming months will be horrific for the continent due to deep economic crisis, energy shortages and military escalation. #Russia by relying on its strong army is in a better position than the EU, but will be more economically dependent on China.


 
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