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Dante80

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If China doesn't start spending double triple their current military budget and prepare for War in earnest, then they will regret it later. I feel 2026 is similar to in 1933, it is a prelude to war. If CHina doesn't move to rapidly and massively improve its military, they will suffer when the war actually starts.
hogwash. China already spends a sizable amount of its GDP for the military, and will continue doing so in the future.

There is zero need to triple that, and I'm fucking glad that CPC understands that and curbs the nationalists appropriately.

Lastly, the latest Japanese elections had almost NOTHING to do with China. Some people are running a main character syndrome here, my suggestion is to stop the hyperbole.
 

plawolf

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I agree. But there is a risk, that is if Japan tries to pursue nuclear weapons. China must absolutely step up espionage to ensure this doesn't happen.

I think that not only will Japan pursue nuclear weapons, but that China is counting on it, as any such moves by Japan will give China iron-clad justification for first massive economic sanctions and embargo’s, which will then ultimately culminate in a war of total conquest.

In fact, I would say it’s entirely possible that this pretext will be used irrespective of whether Japan actually does press ahead for nukes.

China will issue an intelligence briefing to the UN that it has information Japan is moving towards a nuclear weapon. It will demand full IAEA inspections, America will veto it. China will demand Japan allow its own inspectors full access, which Japan will angry deny, and thus China has its casus belli for war that the Chinese people and overwhelmingly majority of the global south and even many within the west will believe and accept.

With this ultimate card to play, China can afford to continue to give Japan chance after chance only for Japan to keep spitting in China’s face. All the while China will accelerate its military prep, economic de-coupling and industrial strangulation of Japan in preparation. By the time China is ready to move, it’s population would already be utterly infuriated with years of non-stop escalating Japanese insults and provocations that the nuclear weapons revelation will make war the only acceptable option.

The only real question now is how long the final war prep will be for. The smart money is 3 years, so I think we will see a lot of activity starting to yield fruits in the next year or two. But I think Beijing will be under no illusions about the scale and scope of this war, especially if America gets involved as China must assume to be the case. So the 3 year mark won’t be the peak output period where you see masses of new hardware commissioned with limited follow up. Instead it will be the tip of the iceberg where a decent amount of hardware will be added, but there will also be even more assets still in construction. This will be across the board, but most evident in naval warship construction, as you will have a decent number of carriers, destroyers and subs commissioned, but far more will still be under construction in the shipyards. This will serve as both replacements for battle losses and strategic reserve to increase fleet numbers to supercharge the PLA for the next phase of the war, but it will also serve as a giant strategic misdirection making Japan and America think China won’t press for war for years yet as they will not believe China will move with all that hardware still under construction. The reality is that China would have long passed the assets it needs for Japan, the fleets still being built are for America should they unwisely involve themselves in this fight.
 

bebops

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If China doesn't start spending double triple their current military budget and prepare for War in earnest, then they will regret it later. I feel 2026 is similar to in 1933, it is a prelude to war. If CHina doesn't move to rapidly and massively improve its military, they will suffer when the war actually starts.

How do you know if China official military budget is real? I think you should look at the yearly platform procurement. How many navy ships, missiles, fighter jets are produced yearly then compared to US numbers.

I don't care about the aircraft carrier as much. One thing they need to improve and speed up is the submarines.
 

bsdnf

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I doubt Japan has a load hypersonic missile yet but even then, Japanese cities would have to deal with dozen of thousands Chinese missiles targeting military, power, nuclear plants, nuclear weapon stockpiles, industry, universities and economic targets in a area that is many many times smaller than China, pretty easy target.

At the end of the day war sum up as if the sacrifice is worth it and in the case nuclear weapons Japan would have to decide if sacrificing Tokyo and a million of people who live there is a worthy price for a capital that is just 100 km from the Chinese coast.

My guess is that they will conclude that sacrificing Tokyo for Taipei is not worth it. The Japanese warmongers right wingers are opportunistic but I don´t think they are that stupid.
My thinking is that Japan is tying itself to Taiwan, using the entire Asia-Pacific region as leverage to force the US to participate. It's betting on another wave of foreign investment, similar to the Korean War, through Japan's re-frontline development and defense industry exports, but also betting on war not actually broke out

If you're looking for a similar example, then Poland is an example.
 

Thecore

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hogwash. China already spends a sizable amount of its GDP for the military, and will continue doing so in the future.

There is zero need to triple that, and I'm fucking glad that CPC understands that and curbs the nationalists appropriately.

Lastly, the latest Japanese elections had almost NOTHING to do with China. Some people are running a main character syndrome here, my suggestion is to stop the hyperbole.
Will you still say the same once they start ramping up their push for nuclear weapons?
 

Ringsword

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My thinking is that Japan is tying itself to Taiwan, using the entire Asia-Pacific region as leverage to force the US to participate. It's betting on another wave of foreign investment, similar to the Korean War, through Japan's re-frontline development and defense industry exports, but also betting on war not actually broke out

If you're looking for a similar example, then Poland is an example.
I knew this would happen-as USA "withdraws" from East Asia it would give the entire responsibilty of the area to its "deputy sherriff" Japan which has a long standing trade/feud/hate-hate relationship with China-sooner/later Tokyo will call China's bluff so-to-speak and openly annex/protect Taiwan as a prefecture etc-China had better be ready.If I can glean these facts from my meagre knowledge then certainly Beijing with its immense resources can certainly do far,far better analyses.Also infuriating as this situation is with Japan.....no knee-jerk emotional responese but the most,calculating,realistic,logical and smartest response is needed-very dangerous times ahead.
 

tokenanalyst

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They are fatalistic and welcome death if it means punishing their perceived enemies. The recent election results prove that. China needs to start making contingency plans to rapidly ramp up a possible military option that results in not just 1 million in Tokyo, but 50 to 100X as much. It's a stomach churning decision, but China can not shy away. It is existential.
I kinda understand that and of course if Japan goes nuclear China should accelerate their nuclear program to make sure that in the escalation towards a exchange Japan simple cease to exist, unfortunately.
I not an expert in Japanology winninology like people say here, but I do think that the reason for Japan and German actions in WW2 was delusional idea of superiority of the top brass and the ignorance of the population, they never thought that war I was to come home. Nobody told German that if Hitler start the war the Soviet Army will take Berlin and divide the city in two. Nobody told the Japanese public that their beautiful cities would be incinerated and destroy. Like this US and The Soviet Union they understood that direct confrontation means giant population decrease in a single day. Fatalism wane when the reality of total destruction sit in the population, now the stakes for war are even higher even a conventional war.
 

meedicx

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My reading is that the diplomatic fallout of the Taiwan comment is just an excuse to escalate to achieve China's actual goal of Japan de-militarization. You don't bring up the Potsdam Declaration and UN enemy state clause for no reason. The election result will only speed this up especially if the LDP amends the constitution to re-arm.

Russia and DPRK also came out very strongly against Japan. A conflict in the next 5 years seems very likely to me. I'm expecting a big military spending increase in the 15th FYP. It's advantageous now for China to start an arms race given the state of Japan and US public finances and bottlenecks in critical minerals.

What US has been doing to VZ, Cuba and Iran could be a good template for China. Sanction certain Japanese ships for shipping military goods and then seize them for being illegal. The ball will then be in Japan's court to escalate which then justifies further action.
 
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FriedButter

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The only real question now is how long the final war prep will be for. The smart money is 3 years, so I think we will see a lot of activity starting to yield fruits in the next year or two. But I think Beijing will be under no illusions about the scale and scope of this war, especially if America gets involved as China must assume to be the case.

Subconsciously, I have a feeling Trump is going to seek a war with China before the “end” of his presidency. It may turn 2027 (+ 1 year) into a self fulfilling prophecy. Trump 2.0 is overtly obsessed with creating his legacy in the history books as a major US figure that created a new “US golden age.” Ukraine defeat is inevitable. Iran is not going to be a short and easy war.

There is no support for a long term commitment in Iran (and Ukraine). Either Trump is forced into defeat by ceasefire negotiation or the US fully commits to a war with Iran. Either case tarnishes his legacy and overshadows Venezuela and a Greenland annexation. Leaving the his only legacy pathway forward being a war with China and trying to obtain the independence of the ROC.
 

tamsen_ikard

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How do you know if China official military budget is real? I think you should look at the yearly platform procurement. How many navy ships, missiles, fighter jets are produced yearly then compared to US numbers.

I don't care about the aircraft carrier as much. One thing they need to improve and speed up is the submarines.

When you look at China's enormous levels of infra development and industrial production that is 10 times US numbers, and how China can develop these with maybe about 1-2% of GDP, then you compare China's laughable level of military production then you know China is not even remotely spending that much on the military.

China produces around 100 tanks per year, 150 jet fighters, 5-6 navy ships. Is this China's breakneck level of military production? Not at all!!

If China was really producing seriously and spending 4-5% of GDP on the military, we will see 5-600 Jet fighters produced per year, 20+ destroyers produced per year. That is the level of China's industrial might.

China's current production level when it comes the military is bare minimum I would say.

Yes, its still higher than US in some categories, but that is because of the enormous difference in industrial production between the two countries.
 
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