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A potato

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Some suggest that the Chinese in Southeast Asia resemble Jews.

Throughout the history of Chinese immigration to Southeast Asia, numerous acts of ethnic cleansing have occurred, dating back to the colonial era. Despite their small population size, the Chinese held a very significant portion in the business world, which fueled hatred.

For Western colonizers, the connection between mainland China and the Southeast Asian Chinese was something to be worried. This is why the Communist Party had to be the perfect enemy to prevail and be contained at mainland.

Although the Southeast Asian Chinese once constituted a considerable proportion of the population in Malaysia, their political power is weak. And the security of the Chinese majority Singapore had to depend on the US.

This is why the Chinese in Indonesia and Malaysia are often very patriotic, due to the unequal treatment and brutal purges they suffered in the past.

Furthermore, Mao Zedong's Cold War strategy of exporting revolution to Southeast Asia was a mistake, doomed to fail. Only exacerbating the suffering of the local Chinese communities.
Malaysian Chinese is a bit a stretch because they sorta evolved into their own people (Nyonya/Peranekans) due to Zheng Ho. Don't forget they and Singaporeans are very westernized and a good chunk of them are no different then HKers and Taiwanese (Namsee is a recent example)
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Never heard of that. What's the background behind this usage?
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It came from a mix of the intent of "Westernizing" and the fact that the mass majority of the economic elite are Chinese. There isn't a religious dimension towards it like the one found in the ME and the Europe.
 

Tse

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Malaysian Chinese is a bit a stretch because they sorta evolved into their own people (Nyonya/Peranekans) due to Zheng Ho. Don't forget they and Singaporeans are very westernized and a good chunk of them are no different then HKers and Taiwanese (Namsee is a recent example)
No. Malaysian Chinese and Malaysian Peranakan Chinese are not the same group of people. The vast majority of Malaysian Chinese have no Peranakan background unless you are referring to Chinese in Malacca, where the number is slightly higher. Peranakans are very noticeably different from the mainstream Malaysian Chinese who arrived after the First Opium war. They have a different heritage language (Baba Malay, not Southern Chinese dialects spoken by most Malaysian Chinese), different traditional costume (Kebaya, a Malay-Portuguese garment which looks nothing like the Qipao worn by other Malaysian Chinese), different food (the sugar-heavy Nyonya cuisine which is completely different from Malaysian Chinese South China-style food) and somewhat matriarchal-leaning instead of patriarchal family dynamics. The Peranakan have a longer and stronger connection to the British Empire than other Chinese. The difference between Peranakan Chinese and normal Chinese is like Bannermen Han and civilian Han.

Same principles also apply in Singapore. One of the reasons why Singapore became less Chinese is because the first generation Singapore cabinet was overwhelmingly Peranakan (Lee Kuan Yew, Goh Keng Swee, Lim Kim San, Toh Chin Chye etc)
 

Shaolian

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Malaysian Chinese is a bit a stretch because they sorta evolved into their own people (Nyonya/Peranekans) due to Zheng Ho. Don't forget they and Singaporeans are very westernized and a good chunk of them are no different then HKers and Taiwanese (Namsee is a recent example)
No. As Tse has explained, Peranakan Chinese only constitutes a miniscule portion of the overall Malaysian Chinese population. The Peranakan arrived earlier after the Zheng He voyages, while the majority of the Malaysian Chinese came during the British period. Because of the long period of assimilation, the Peranakan has adopted many of the local Malay cultures, such as using Malay language in everyday speech, clothing and food. However, they still practice Chinese customs when it comes to religion.

The vast majority of the Malaysian Chinese, on the other hand, came in large waves during the British colonial period, when additional labour was needed for building of infrastructure and the mining of tin. Most of these immigrants are from Southern China, mostly Canton & Fujian province. Due to arriving in these large waves, there were hardly any interactions with the local population, and as such, most Malaysian Chinese, even till this day, maintain almost all of its Chinese customs, more or less. Again, so called "Westernized" Malaysian Chinese only constitute a minority, and as others has eluded, due to Malaysia's social and inter-racial fabric, Malaysian Chinese have a very acute understanding of who they really are. Now, of course, among the "Chinese educated" group, Hong Kong and Taiwanese influence are also quite prominent, so that's how you get people like Namewee here, but although not insignificant, I wouldn't consider them to be the majority.
 
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Redditors saying Vietnam is natural US ally and US best buddies against China now in shambles.

How did we go from Vietnam against China invasion of SCS, to now Vietnam welcoming China HSR and Vietnam preparing for US coup/invasion?
Its only new for dumb westerners who never bothered to do their research properly. I'm really surprised how they are so confident in their assertions. Like you ask them on what basis they make such claim and they will struggle to give you a proper answer that is actually specific.

Vietnam has over 1000 years of relations with China as a state. They can openly curse China saying how much they wish it was dead. But both sides know how to put emotions away when it comes to the negotiating table and come to a compromise. The devil you know is always better than the one you don't know.

Interesting trivia. Lê Văn Thịnh is the first zhuangyuan of Vietnam that came first in the imperial exams. Unlike others who used Buddhist knowledge he was pretty much full on Confucianism. His most famous achievement is negotiating a border compromise with the Song dynasty and end any more fighting. Sadly he fell out of favour. Some say its coz he represented the Confucianism faction of the court and the Buddhist faction didn't like him so they set him up. When it comes to politics, unfortunately buddhism is kinda ugly in east asia at least. Its not the peaceful think Buddha wanted it to be. I'm sure Viets can provide more info on this.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Never heard of that. What's the background behind this usage?


It may be because they’ve already previously succeeded in demonizing China in the media to the point that the general public is more likely to think of China as a villain in any event (and because China is the greatest threat to American hegemony atm). Therefore, distraction is easier if you use an existing villain as the culprit.

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There are social media reports (now being deleted) of Reza Shah (the exiled monarch promoting revolution in Iran) appearing in the Epstein files.

Edit: People were already skeptical of the exiled revolutionaries' narrative, with their open association with Israel. Now if this news is true, i.e. Epstein involved in Irani revolution, then the revolutionaries can kiss their efforts goodbye.



If civil war occurred and media did not report it, how would one know?


I don't think that is correct. They don't look like Greeks, have Asiatic features, and many of the Greeks who did live there were moved during the 1923 population exchange.


American AI aim is to replicate God. Chinese AI aim is to benefit society.

@9dashline was VERY PRESCIENT on the issue of Bitcoin as he called it as a "WESTERN/CIA" plot financial control.
 

A potato

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No. As Tse has explained, Peranakan Chinese only constitutes a miniscule portion of the overall Malaysian Chinese population. The Peranakan arrived earlier after the Zheng He voyages, while the majority of the Malaysian Chinese came during the British period. Because of the long period of assimilation, the Peranakan has adopted many of the local Malay cultures, such as using Malay language in everyday speech, clothing and food. However, they still practice Chinese customs when it comes to religion.

The vast majority of the Malaysian Chinese, on the other hand, came in large waves during the British colonial period, when additional labour was needed for building of infrastructure and the mining of tin. Most of these immigrants are from Southern China, mostly Canton & Fujian province. Due to arriving in these large waves, there were hardly any interactions with the local population, and as such, most Malaysian Chinese, even till this day, maintain almost all of its Chinese customs, more or less. Again, so called "Westernized" Malaysian Chinese only constitute a minority, and as others has eluded, due to Malaysia's social and inter-racial fabric, Malaysian Chinese have a very acute understanding of who they really are. Now, of course, among the "Chinese educated" group, Hong Kong and Taiwanese influence are also quite prominent, so that's how you get people like Namewee here, but although not insignificant, I wouldn't consider them to be the majority.

I guess I came to that conclusion is because 99% of the Chinese Diaspora or discussions about Chinese culture outside China is basically HKers and Cantonese people in the Diaspora "preserved" Chinese culture while the Mainland lost all traditional culture. This is not even true in the slightest because asides from the Damage from the Cultural Revolution being exaggeratted there is 0 trace of Chinese traditional culture in HK and Taiwan infact Taiwanese and HKers are a mockery of Ancient Chinese Culture as they so westernized that it's not even Chinese. Afterall it's not Vietnamese and Koreans who pushed for CNY to be called Lunar New Year but HKers and Taiwanese people. As well as the fact that the narrative of Cantonese is the last link to Ancient Chinese and Mandarian is a mongolian language is dominant despite the fact that Cantonese only preserved some sounds and that is it and Mandarian is 100% a han language and it also preserved aspects that cantonese did not, specifically the grammer. Since Malaysians Chinese are associetated it gave me the impression that they're no different and for that I am wrong.
 
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