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Africablack

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Just to give you an insight from a former colony of Spain and a devout catholic country, a US green card is the ultimate dream, they will sold their mother and soul just to get one. I'm generalizing it cause I see it a lot among the Catholic worshippers.

From personal experience, without a national language, a nation doesn't deserved to exist. Why spoke a foreign language and adopt it as your official language, that's why the Latin American had not developed a sense of unity and nationhood.
It's not surprising, a lot of Latin Americans are ethnic Europeans and they are all fighting or supporting white supremacy. Look at how many of them voted for Trump. Many of them will be happy to be white adjacent and accept the superficial status of serving their Anglo overlord if it means chucking out their interests in the short term. However, everything has a limit and if this new Trump arrangement somehow manifests itself (I don't think it will) and they aren't seeing any real benefits then it will collapse. I want folks to understand something: production is what runs this world and China has achieved it. The US will lash out and try to force compliance in its hemisphere but it will all be in vain in the end without tangible benefits for its vassals.
 

Nevermore

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China can promote globally that partnering with China can secure advanced weapon systems comparable to those of the Pakistan Air Force. Many small nations' leadership and populations remain entrenched in the illusory dream of American hegemony and liberal democracy. Relying solely on passive, measured statements will struggle to shatter these nations' American dream. China might instead take proactive steps, actively promoting the security solutions and ideological frameworks it can offer.
 

bsdnf

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My consistent view is that China should be the ones setting the questions, not the ones answering them.

If China follows suit and kidnaps figures from other non-cooperative countries, even drug traffickers, just because the US kidnapped Maduro, then it is essentially falling into the same narrative and will never gain the upper hand.
 

vincent

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China can promote globally that partnering with China can secure advanced weapon systems comparable to those of the Pakistan Air Force. Many small nations' leadership and populations remain entrenched in the illusory dream of American hegemony and liberal democracy. Relying solely on passive, measured statements will struggle to shatter these nations' American dream. China might instead take proactive steps, actively promoting the security solutions and ideological frameworks it can offer.
You mean follow US example of arming the Afghanistan National Army with Western high tech weapons?
 

Nevermore

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You mean follow US example of arming the Afghanistan National Army with Western high tech weapons?
What I mean is to encourage countries to arm themselves with China's advanced equipment. The use of such advanced equipment requires Chinese training and the establishment of a systematic military organization, which will lead to extensive cooperation. If the other party is unwilling to engage in deep cooperation, advanced weapons will not be sold. Afghanistan's problem lies in its political instability, conflicts with neighboring countries, and potential for radicalization. When exporting weapons, China must also consider the actual situation of the country and the geopolitical relationships with its neighbors. This concept of security assurance could be explored starting with some Southeast Asian countries.
 

vincent

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What I mean is to encourage countries to arm themselves with China's advanced equipment. The use of such advanced equipment requires Chinese training and the establishment of a systematic military organization, which will lead to extensive cooperation. If the other party is unwilling to engage in deep cooperation, advanced weapons will not be sold. Afghanistan's problem lies in its political instability, conflicts with neighboring countries, and potential for radicalization. When exporting weapons, China must also consider the actual situation of the country and the geopolitical relationships with its neighbors. This concept of security assurance could be explored starting with some Southeast Asian countries.
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Under a deal discussed between a senior U.S. official and Mr. Maduro’s top aides, the Venezuelan strongman offered to open up all existing and future oil and gold projects to American companies, give preferential contracts to American businesses, reverse the flow of Venezuelan oil exports from China to the United States, and slash his country’s energy and mining contracts with Chinese, Iranian and Russian firms.
 

bsdnf

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What I mean is to encourage countries to arm themselves with China's advanced equipment. The use of such advanced equipment requires Chinese training and the establishment of a systematic military organization, which will lead to extensive cooperation. If the other party is unwilling to engage in deep cooperation, advanced weapons will not be sold. Afghanistan's problem lies in its political instability, conflicts with neighboring countries, and potential for radicalization. When exporting weapons, China must also consider the actual situation of the country and the geopolitical relationships with its neighbors. This concept of security assurance could be explored starting with some Southeast Asian countries.
From my observation, many Southeast Asian countries are still playing a hedging game, similar to Middle Eastern countries buying weapons from both sides and cooperating economically with both, but without taking sides. Here's a joke: Burkina Faso's recent purchases of Chinese weapons have far exceeded those of many Southeast Asian countries.

Beacause as I stated, industries within a continent are often competitive. Although the inhabitants of some countries mired in hardship ironically prefer to rely on others to escape their predicament. Apart from this, no country will truly want to be dependent on another unless things are extremely dire, and China doesn't want to shoulder too much economic responsibility either.
 
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Phead128

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Under a deal discussed between a senior U.S. official and Mr. Maduro’s top aides, the Venezuelan strongman offered to open up all existing and future oil and gold projects to American companies, give preferential contracts to American businesses, reverse the flow of Venezuelan oil exports from China to the United States, and slash his country’s energy and mining contracts with Chinese, Iranian and Russian firms.

Just like the old imperial Spain days of serving overseas European elite interests at the expense of the local population. Just replacing direct imperial rule with neo-colonialist multi-national corporations and co-opting local elites. If endemic corruption and historical colonial hierarchy (esp. racial castes mindset) hold Venezuelans back, there is little China can do to change this.
 

enroger

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Just like the old imperial Spain days of serving overseas European elite interests at the expense of the local population. Just replacing direct imperial rule with neo-colonialist multi-national corporations and co-opting local elites. If endemic corruption and historical colonial hierarchy (esp. racial castes mindset) hold Venezuelans back, there is little China can do to change this.

In this case you can't blame Venezuelan for selling out their own sovereignty. Their government has proverbial gun point to their head and got their president kidnaped before they bend the knee to the Americans. This is already lightyears ahead of some other nation's elites voluntarily selling out their countries without the threat of violence.

I'd say the Venezuelan leftists tried their best to break away from American's yoke, they failed, end of story.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Under a deal discussed between a senior U.S. official and Mr. Maduro’s top aides, the Venezuelan strongman offered to open up all existing and future oil and gold projects to American companies, give preferential contracts to American businesses, reverse the flow of Venezuelan oil exports from China to the United States, and slash his country’s energy and mining contracts with Chinese, Iranian and Russian firms.

Truly becoming an American colony in the blink of an eye. Colonialism 2.0 is here, everyone - Same sh1t, different flavor!

What can I say? If the people themselves don't want to fight, then there is literally zero point for China to help them fight.

Beijing might as well just write off Venezuela as a lost cause from here on and focus exclusively on the Eurasian and African continents. There's totally nothing China can do for Latin America.
 
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