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Yeah, but those things always exists everywhere to a major or lesser degree and things are bound to fail when one faction gets open support and the other just gets speeches and legalese instead of support as well, so you end with the obvious result.
The analogy falls by virtue of the difference in geopolitical dynamics, what requires to mount a workable defense nowadays against the US and back then.
And even then, it wasn't guaranteed either. The Great Wall didn't stop China from getting ruled by the Mongols, did it?
They share the societal control aspect(Burkhas, women are subhuman, etc.) and one inspired the other in this regard
This is such a simplification and completely ignores the dynamics within Latin America and other areas, specially the US near constant presence in the former through many aspects. How about the thief also stole your credit card, froze your accounts, has you besieged with the rest of the gang and the person that should sell you the locks is only saying you should call the cops instead and after the cops have taken your report, then maybe, they will sell you the locks.
I honestly am surprised how the effects of Opium War and WW2 gets brought up to point out its long term effects in many aspect of Asia, but the US constant invasions and couping since 1899 up until the 00's gets handwaved with "suck it up and deal with it, is not that bad"
I mean, if money runs out and western society and politics collapse to the point overt antisemites sneak on, the Zionists don't have a choice.
Trying to extrapolate Panama, which is a US creation formed basically the same way Hong Kong as a separate entity did("gives us the land and or we will fuck you up") with the rest of Latin America is silly.
we will see history repeating itself, rhyming. Could it be that Venezuela has some dog left in it?
Agreed with a strong caveat:
How could Venezuela realistically improve its living conditions when it's sanctioned by most Western countries out the wazoo?
Plus, Venezuelans are not cut from the same cloth as the Chinese in terms of having the "eat bitterness" mentality that people there must learn to endure in order to build up their country. Without perseverance and the willingness to eat bitterness—both figuratively and literally speaking—all their opinions on modernization and resisting America are nothing but sloganeering. Their religion and cultural proximity to America are what led to their downfall and perpetual cycle of poverty. There's no need to sugarcoat these issues, and we folks should not become ideologically fantastical to the point that we forget the critical necessities for a country to succeed.
DOUBTFUL!!
The only Latin American country that managed and still to this day to successfully fight a U.S. invasion was Cuba! Mexico? - lost California, Tejas, etc. Grenada, Panama, etc...America is an expert on subduing these weak ass Latina American countries! To expect Venezuela to somehow succeed where the majority of them have failed is expecting a Milagro!
Yes, US did South Korea a favor, but honestly I don't think a united DPRK would've done too much worse. It would've been a natural Chinese ally and most of all, Taiwan would not be tenable with a hostile Korean peninsula since it can cut Japan off from Okinawa.
If North Korea won the Korean War outright, Taiwan would have been much poorer and would've been liberated maybe in the 1980s or 1990s.
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America is already becoming Latinized. Hispanics are already the majority in Cali and Texas, Catholicism is on the rise with Gen Z men and even its biggest far right White Nationalist is half Mexican and Catholic. With the ever growing immigration from South and Central Americans, 2nd generation Latinos growing prominence and the trend of Whites becoming a minority by 2025 is becoming ever more clear to see. The US either has to lean more to the Americas or try to buy time with “temp” H1Bs from India lol. I think more Americans prefer the former over the latter.
Honestly, I think the whole Venezuela op was more of Rubio and his Cuban constituents thing than a Trump thing which shows growing political influence of Hispanics in US politics.
Gonna have to find something else for Lai and Tsai and others like Takaichi to do since tree planting is now roboticised. May I suggest sulphur mining Or clearing the future land development in the future autonomous zone of Australia.
So I think... almost every time the US intervened somewhere, the victims became democratic economic tigers, complete paradises on earth.
Venezuela's prospects are simply amazing, aren't they. No need for examples. Maybe some of them exist. Especially in South America, but also in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. Even Ukraine is certainly looking forward to it.
Seriously. I think that in this case the Ukraine Maidan model was used, when it was enough to distribute 5 billion dollars among the right people. In Ukraine, politicians, in Venezuela, the army. They are always quite susceptible to such things.. All military senior commanders admire the US army and weapons, many of them have their schools. In my country, it's very similar, I know it.
Venezuela's prospects are simply amazing, aren't they. No need for examples. Maybe some of them exist. Especially in South America, but also in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. Even Ukraine is certainly looking forward to it.
Seriously. I think that in this case the Ukraine Maidan model was used, when it was enough to distribute 5 billion dollars among the right people. In Ukraine, politicians, in Venezuela, the army. They are always quite susceptible to such things.. All military senior commanders admire the US army and weapons, many of them have their schools. In my country, it's very similar, I know it.