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It is also facepalm stupidity that French/European negotiating position is still the imperious: Give me what I want and I'll stop punishing you. If you don't give me what I want, I will punish you.
Nowhere in there is there any offer of giving anything that is a net positive. At most they offer a return to the status quo of no restrictions on semiconductor machinery but in return for major concessions from China. That is a terrible deal and to even offer this is being disingenuous or stupid.
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Let the OSINT commercial satellite imaging wars begin (as US and Chinese commercial sat providers release more photos try to one up the other on resolution)
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Absolutely fascinating and of course not surprising. The British make excuses for their crimes of the past because everyone else essentially committed some crime too. For example here because Mao killed so many Chinese, that made what the British did with the Opium Wars not significant and no one should bother.
This is the reason why the West fears China’s rise. Not because of economic or military might or fear China might act irresponsibly. It’s the interpretation of reality that they fear most. Just like the West being today’s power is using it watering down their crimes, they fear China in the future might use it to declare the truth of how evil theirs are. Just look at how the West paints China as evil just in hopes the world turns away from China so it doesn’t get that power. Their fear China will force them to give reparations or else they’ll get punished.
So many spins and excuses the West makes for themselves can be easily turned right back at them. Whataboutism… Two wrongs don’t make right… everything they complain about, they use themselves and vice versa.
Typical argument with a westerner:
“Don’t you think that western imperialism killed a lot of people and was bad?”
“MAO KILLED 800 GORILLION!”
“Uhhh, okay… but what about western impe—”
“WHATABOUTISM!”
Another version of the Japanese's excuse:
"Japan killed more than 30 million Chinese during World War II, and Japan should be condemned."
"The CPC famine killed 100 million people, why don't you blame the CPC?"
supercat
Colonel
Yes, rebellions, civil wars, and dynasty changes were very bloody affairs throughout China's history. However, these don't exonerate the West's crime in any way, shape, or form. While the British empire might have killed 165 million Indians in 40 years, the growth of China's life expectancy under Mao's rule "ranks as among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history." ()
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As the Indian airlines industry crisis deepens, Indian government chickened out and reversed it's rule to reduce pilot working hours. A rule that they have been wanting to impose for 18 months.
Indian media is mostly complaining about monopoly by IndiGo. 90% of the domestic market is dominated by IndiGo and Air India, with IndiGo taking a 65% share. Which I don't think is that unusual as many other countries also have one or two airlines dominating the domestic market.
This appears to be a case of a lack of enforcement and cooperation between the Indian government and a private airline company. And in the battle between the Indian govt and a private airline, the Indian government folded first.
One is an economic plan that went wrong due to various factors including really bad weather that was unusually bad by chance. Take that away and maybe the thing might have not happened, def not the same extent.
The other is deliberate killing without where nothing would change since it was dependent on intent.
Its not really hard to see.
Btw I find it funny how I have not seen a single US/UK person ever mention they deliberately sanctioned China during famine with the intent of killing more people. That is not random and will not go away.