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Bellum_Romanum

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"In its recently held live-fire exercises, the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Army used long-range rocket artillery and anti-tank missiles, traditionally used against ground targets, to hit maritime targets, leading Chinese analysts to say on Sunday that the Army can join the PLA Navy and other military branches in anti-ship missions."

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siegecrossbow

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Btw is there any info on Chinese Intelligence operations in the EU? If something similar happened with China spying on EU, the US would whip a WW3 kind of frenzy..

So that we dont hear anything about China spying on the EU, it means that Chinese Intelligence operations have not been detected. Good Job!

A more likely explanation is that none exist.
 

ansy1968

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"In its recently held live-fire exercises, the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Army used long-range rocket artillery and anti-tank missiles, traditionally used against ground targets, to hit maritime targets, leading Chinese analysts to say on Sunday that the Army can join the PLA Navy and other military branches in anti-ship missions."

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@Bellum_Romanum bro Phil navy patrol boat are armed with Israel Spike ER missile. So China latest ATGM can also be converted.

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3 Aug 2020 — Philippine Navy to double its number of Spike missile-armed ships by Q1 2021. The delivery of the Spike-ER systems produced by Israel's ...
 

voyager1

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Wow Xi is living rent-free in Biden's head
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President Joe Biden sent a message to China and Russia while paying tribute to fallen service members and his late son Beau.
“I had a long conversation for two hours recently with [Chinese] President Xi [Jinping], making it clear to him that we could do nothing but speak out for human rights around the world because that’s who we are,” Biden said during a Memorial Day service in Delaware on Sunday.
Doesnt this guy have anything else to do than bothering with Xi? Why even mention him at all during the Memorial Day?


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solarz

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You need to take the whole statement that you quoted in combination instead of just this one part. And other nations followed socialism/Marxism/communism in some combination and failed; China is clearly different from them.

That's not the only part of the whole sentence that you quoted; the combination is what makes China great, not any one part.

Figure it out from watching the world and watching the market, trial and error and logical reasoning. That's how people usually figure things out.

They knew those were the pillars of energy and economy bloodlines. If something goes wrong and they go belly up, the country is paralyzed. Keep your control on the things you cannot afford to go wrong.

CCP is unique and they developed their own system; they did not choose to follow imperial China or Capitalist America.

Marx said you can let go of all your SOEs and allow them to become private but you need to hold onto your oil and and banking sectors??

Absolutely they did not follow capitalist theory but taking taxes from your more developed places in order to develop your impoverished places is common sense, is it not? If I were a ruler, that's how I'd develop my kingdom to reach its potential rather than letting the poor places rot from neglect without reading anything about Marx or socialism. It's how you turn half a great country into a whole great country, double your power with horizontal growth.

If you wanted to start a side-business based on your interest and you had a strong primary income, you would obviously use your primary income to fund that start-up of your side business rather than try to start it with no money, make one product from scraps, sell it and try to make your second product from the profit of your first, right? That's common sense; you don't need to read that from anywhere to know this is the way to go, right?

Common sense? Poor regions = untapped potential.

Did Marx say you need to preserve the diversity and cultures of your minorities? Where's this coming from? I just assume it's because China's a softie and wants to give advantages to the weak, which is in Chinese culture.

That's quite frankly effed up. And "I just assume it's because China's a softie and wants to give advantages to the weak, which is in Chinese culture."

The reasons are explained above. They know by taking the real time feedback on whether the goals are met and decide whether to continue a policy.

There are also instances that China clearly does not follow Marx's ideals, at least not anymore. One of Marx's core themes is that if you produce an item to sell rather than to use, and you use other's labor to produce it at less than the price you sell it for, you are exploiting these workers. I could barely believe this nonsense when I first read it. Without this theme, the economy would be non-existent and limited to what each man could do for himself. Nobody would open a business to employ workers paying them the same profit that you earn; there's no such reason to start this business for the employer and without it, all the employees would be jobless, which they can still choose to be regardless of whether or not this business existed. If China believed this and followed suit to stop the "exploitation," China would have no economy. Instead, Chinese workers labor harder than almost any other part of the world for bosses to become billionaires starting globally-competitive companies. China's obviously correct disregard for the core Marxist principle shows that it cannot be considered Marxist or socialist even if other details can line up simply due to common sense or commonality of all maturing economies.

Basically, I boil our conversation down to this:

You: That guy is a boxer. He's adherent to the philosophy of boxing.
Me: I don't think so. He punches, but he also just kicked a guy's face in and then rolled him onto the ground for full mount into key lock breaking his elbow. Those are from Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Boxing, Karate, and BJJ. The guy's an MMA fighter.
You: No, he's sticking to the core principles of boxing. He strikes, be blocks, he dodges, and be bobs his head. If he weren't a boxer, how would he do all these boxing things?
Me: Those movements are common to many forms. Boxing specifically doesn't use legs or ground game and he's doing both like an expert. You cannot say that he's a boxer just because he's doing some things that boxing has in common with other forms even though he's violating the core principles of boxing, which is no throws/ground game and no kicks. He has some boxing strikes but he's not a boxer.

Actually, the more accurate analogy would be someone who used to be a boxer is now dabbling in MMA. Sure he added non-boxing techniques like kicks and takedowns to his repertoire, but if his jabs and his footwork all look suspiciously like boxing techniques, does it make sense to claim otherwise just because other styles also have those techniques?

Likewise, the way China treats ethnic minorities and poverty alleviation can be clearly traced to its socialist past.

The difference between China's socialism today and what it had before is that China used to treat Marxism like religious dogma, but is now treating it like a scientific theory. Like any scientific theory, you use what works and fix what doesn't.

In particular, the purpose of Marxism for China is to provide a model for running a modern country. The priority of the Chinese leadership can be summarized as follows:

1. Make the Chinese nation strong.
2. Make the Chinese society harmonious.

As such, Marxist principles will be used and applied according to those two priorities.

And yes, apparently Marx did say that "you can let go of all your SOEs and allow them to become private but you need to hold onto your oil and and banking sectors":

Socialist economics basically states that you are better off with state owned natural monopolies. If you privatize a natural monopoly you will basically get a rent seeking parasite which will suck resources out of the rest of the economy. In Europe it used to be that water companies, power companies, railroads were state owned because they saw that as fact. Ever since the Soviet Union collapsed, there has been an accelerated disintegration of the state corporate sector in Europe. So you get an increase in rent seeking extractive private corporations which drag down the whole economy. This was sold as being economically more efficient because according to liberal economics the state isn't supposed to be able to manage anything properly. China stayed well clear of this kind of privatization which is why they did so well I think.

Market socialist economics also basically state that it is important for the state to provide easy access to loans in order to have investments to grow the economy. So you are supposed to include a state banking sector.
 

solarz

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I just finished watching this Chinese professor's explanation of the Chinese economic miracle and I wonder what's your take on his distilled assessment of the Chinese economic reform and model plus reasons on how China managed to grow at break neck speed economically.


Honestly, I went through that whole video (at 1.5x speed!), and still have no clue what he's trying to express.
 

siegecrossbow

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Wow Xi is living rent-free in Biden's head
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Doesnt this guy have anything else to do than bothering with Xi? Why even mention him at all during the Memorial Day?


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He is secretly enamored with Emperor Xi's grip on power and wants to pull a Bo Xilai on Trump and other undesirables.
 
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