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Lolwut the US is announcing, this is one of those "bring out your manager I want to speak to him" moment.
Chinese readout contains some details.
Euros shouldn't celebrate prematurely
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China to grant export exemptions to eligible shipments after comprehensive review: MOFCOM on Nexperia-related issues
China's Ministry of Commerce (MOFCOM) said on Saturday that it will grant export exemptions to eligible shipments after a comprehensive review of the circumstances of companies, in response to questions about Nexperia, the semiconductor company owned by Chinese tech company Wingtech.
 

Clango

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Chinese readout contains some details.
Euros shouldn't celebrate prematurely
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China to grant export exemptions to eligible shipments after comprehensive review: MOFCOM on Nexperia-related issues
Yeah thank God, I thought it was bullshit that China would allow them chips again so soon, fuck the BBC and Bloomberg.
 

AssassinsMace

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I saw some arguments how the US and Europe see China’s rare earth restrictions as illegal. They claim since rare earths are raw materials, China can’t lay claim and ownership and restrict them unlike how they can with semiconductors. Never mind that when China wasn’t in the rare earths game, the US had a rare earths ban on selling them to China. I’m sure they also think they can just go into any country and take them for free.
 

Clango

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I saw some arguments how the US and Europe see China’s rare earth restrictions as illegal. They claim since rare earths are raw materials, China can’t lay claim and ownership and restrict them unlike how they can with semiconductors. Never mind that when China wasn’t in the rare earths game, the US had a rare earths ban on selling them to China. I’m sure they also think they can just go into any country and take them for free.
Thankfully in the real world, trade wars are won by logistics and not words.
 

manqiangrexue

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I saw some arguments how the US and Europe see China’s rare earth restrictions as illegal. They claim since rare earths are raw materials, China can’t lay claim and ownership and restrict them unlike how they can with semiconductors. Never mind that when China wasn’t in the rare earths game, the US had a rare earths ban on selling them to China. I’m sure they also think they can just go into any country and take them for free.
That's some really retarded spinning they're left with. An apple is raw material, so if it's illegal for me to restrict whom I sell my apples to?? They're mine and I can do whatever I want with them. The rare earths are China's so they can do whatever they want with them.
 

Engineer

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I saw some arguments how the US and Europe see China’s rare earth restrictions as illegal. They claim since rare earths are raw materials, China can’t lay claim and ownership and restrict them unlike how they can with semiconductors. Never mind that when China wasn’t in the rare earths game, the US had a rare earths ban on selling them to China. I’m sure they also think they can just go into any country and take them for free.
Same vibe as this.
 

huemens

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Yeah thank God, I thought it was bullshit that China would allow them chips again so soon, fuck the BBC and Bloomberg.

But if they did that, is it necessarily bad? They should still keep pressure on the Dutch.
But if Nexperia China can bypass the European fabs entirely and source all front-end manufacturing from Shanghai fab, get all customers to deal directly with China and is able to sustain volumes beyond the domestic needs, I think it's better to resume exports to retain as many customers as possible.
Even if/when Dutch agrees to give back control of European fabs, it is probably not a good idea for WingTech to hold on to those. UK politicians are already talking about forcing the sale of Manchester fab, which they already did with Newport fab.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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But if they did that, is it necessarily bad? They should still keep pressure on the Dutch.
But if Nexperia China can bypass the European fabs entirely and source all front-end manufacturing from Shanghai fab, get all customers to deal directly with China and is able to sustain volumes beyond the domestic needs, I think it's better to resume exports to retain as many customers as possible.
Even if/when Dutch agrees to give back control of European fabs, it is probably not a good idea for WingTech to hold on to those. UK politicians are already talking about forcing the sale of Manchester fab, which they already did with Newport fab.
I mean what would the cost to Beijing be if Beijing simply seize Nexperia’s China-based assets and give them to Wingtech, Huawei, etc. as a proportional retaliation? And of course, deliberately freeze Nexperia chip shipments to the EU (but US, Japan, and other countries exempted)?

The EU has been quite aggressive toward China since the beginning of the Biden Administration, especially on Xinjiang and EV tariffs. And then you got frontline states like Lithuania poking fights between Brussels and Beijing over Taiwan and human rights. Wonder why Beijing still thinks it has no choice but to rely of the EU market and is soft on the EU overall in spite of Brussels’ clear aggression (but less direct compared to Washington) toward Beijing under leadership of Ursula Von Der Fail.
 
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