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Thecore

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I would say Midea executives need to have an emergency meeting and talk about transferring all valuable KUKA IP and transferable assets into their custody ASAP! Then start making plans to divest from the majority of their fixed assets in Europe. Unfortunately, even though the capital outlay to rebuild the factories in China will be huge, the political risk profile of losing all of their holdings in Europe has just gone up like 1000X today.

Also, the EU and Canada wants BYD to build plants on their soil to be able to access their market? After this? lol, GTFOH!
 
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FriedButter

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Without data centers, GDP growth was 0.1% in the first half of 2025, Harvard economist says​

U.S. GDP growth in the first half of 2025 was almost entirely driven by investment in data centers and information processing technology, according to Harvard economist Jason Furman. Excluding these technology-related categories, Furman calculated in a Sept. 27 post on X.com GDP growth would have been just 0.1% on an annualized basis, a near standstill that underlines the increasingly pivotal role of high-tech infrastructure in shaping macroeconomic outcomes.

Furman’s findings, shared online and echoed by financial analysts including Robert Armstrong of the Financial Times‘ Unhedged (the same writer who coined the term “TACO trade’), echo several months of observations on the remarkable surge in data-center infrastructure. In August, Renaissance Macro Research estimated, to date in 2025, the dollar value contributed to GDP growth by AI data-center buildout had surpassed U.S. consumer spending for the first time ever. That’s remarkable considering consumer spending is two-thirds of GDP.

Technically, as Furman notes, investment in information-processing equipment and software was only 4% of U.S. GDP for the first half of 2025, yet it also accounted for fully 92% of GDP growth over that period. Furman added it’s probably not the case the U.S. economy would have recorded almost no expansion at all absent this buildout, reasoning that “absent the AI boom we would probably have lower interest rates [and] electricity prices, thus some additional growth in other sectors. In very rough terms that could maybe make up about half of what we got from the AI boom.” But still, it’s big.

Tech giants such as Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta, and Nvidia have poured tens of billions of dollars into building and upgrading data centers, responding to explosive demand for artificial intelligence and large language models that require massive computing resources.

Lisa Shallet, chief investment officer for Morgan Stanley Wealth Management, flagged on Sept. 29 that spending was truly massive among the so-called “hyperscalers” who are striving for huge computing, storage and networking capacity.

“In recent years, hyperscaler capex on data center and related items has risen fourfold and is nearing $400 billion annually,” she wrote. “The speed of growth and size of the investment are skewing its aggregate economic impact, with the top 10 spenders accounting for nearly a third of all spending … For perspective, it’s estimated that data center-linked spending is adding roughly 100 basis points to U.S. real GDP growth.”

This surge in technology-led growth comes against a backdrop of wider economic sluggishness and paradoxically strong GDP growth. Job creation has slowed, raising concerns that, absent technology investment, the U.S. economy could have slipped into recession. Other sectors—from manufacturing and real estate to retail and services—contributed little or even detracted from overall output in the first half of 2025.

And yet, as Apollo Global Management Chief Economist Torsten Sløk has noted, the GDP figures speak of a (statistically) strong economy.

“The consensus has been wrong since January,” Sløk said in a note circulated to clients in early October, adding the average of economists’ forecasts has said the U.S. economy would slow down for nine months consecutively. “But the reality is that it has simply not happened … We in the economics profession need to look ourselves in the mirror.”

Furman’s analysis adds to the snarky and accurate observation by Rusty Foster of Today in Tabs who quipped: “Our economy might just be three AI data centers in a trench coat”—an allusion to the data-center buildout boom and to the cartoon trope/sight gag of several young boys teaming up to disguise themselves as an adult.

Morgan Stanley Chief Economist Michael Gapen ventured a guess on Oct. 6 about “the mystery” of the 2025 economy, “between solid spending data and weak hiring.” He argued that it “can be explained by a corporate sector that absorbed the initial cost of tariffs and reduced unit labor costs and profitability rather than raising prices.”

In other words, something that has nothing to do with the data-center buildout that is widely fueling bubble fears, even among Amazon founder Jeff Bezos himself, who insists these data centers are an “industrial bubble” rather than a financial one, and we will all be glad someday to have such incredible computing power at our fingertips with so many hundreds of billions spent. The question of sustainable GDP growth is a separate one.
 

MortyandRick

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I would say Midea executives need to have an emergency meeting and talk about transferring all valuable KUKA IP and transferable assets into their custody ASAP! Then start making plans to divest from the majority of their fixed assets in Europe. Unfortunately, even though the capital outlay to rebuild the factories in China will be huge, the political risk profile of losing all of their holdings in Europe has just gone up like 1000X today.

Also, the EU and Canada wants BYD to build plants on their soil to be able to access their market? After this? lol, GTFOH!
Kuka was discussed


Apparently a lot of kuka know-how was transfered. But china likely doesn't need it.
 

manqiangrexue

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Sure, but this time it really will hurt China badly too should they band together with the US despite Trump.
Not really. The EU and US were together under Biden. That failed, so Trump's anger caused him to attack the EU. That failed too, so now what can they do? Try to be together again? LOL Been there, done that; try something new! It's an abusive relationship:

1. Joker and Harley work together against Batman.
2. Both beaten, go to jail.
3. Joker slaps Harley and gives her a black eye.
4. Joker escapes, attacks Batman by himself. Ends up in hospital section of jail.
5. Both escape, Joker gets together again with Harley because they'll be just "so much more powerful together!" Now Bats is in trouble!
6. Repeat cycle from step 1.
 
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burritocannon

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yet abusive as it may be, i think the eu has no choice. they will continue to work for the us to the very end, because ww2 really was a creation story. the west europe of today is a creation of the united states.
when the western european honors their liberation from nazi germany, they are honoring the notion that their lives are owned by the americans, without whom they would be lost to oblivion and eternal damnation.
the slave-sidekick is a grand western tradition, from han solo's chewbacca to monte cristo's ali:

"His life, madame, belongs not to him; it is mine, in return for my having saved him from death."
 
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vincent

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yet abusive as it may be, i think the eu has no choice. they will continue to work for the us to the very end, because ww2 really was a creation story. the west europe of today is a creation of the united states.
when the western european honors their liberation from nazi germany, they are honoring the notion that their lives are owned by the americans, without whom they would be lost to oblivion and eternal damnation.
the slave-sidekick is a grand western tradition, from han solo's chewbacca to monte cristo's ali:

"His life, madame, belongs not to him; it is mine, in return for my having saved him from death."
The reason may be much simpler: NSA and CIA have dirts on all European politicians and elites.
 

manqiangrexue

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yet abusive as it may be, i think the eu has no choice. they will continue to work for the us to the very end, because ww2 really was a creation story. the west europe of today is a creation of the united states.
when the western european honors their liberation from nazi germany, they are honoring the notion that their lives are owned by the americans, without whom they would be lost to oblivion and eternal damnation.
the slave-sidekick is a grand western tradition, from han solo's chewbacca to monte cristo's ali:

"His life, madame, belongs not to him; it is mine, in return for my having saved him from death."
This I know, but it is not the point of my post. My point was to refute any notion that this was some fear-inducing alliance that would present a new challenge/danger to China. It is, instead, a desperately recycled old failed trick.
 

burritocannon

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The reason may be much simpler: NSA and CIA have dirts on all European politicians and elites.
on the contrary, in terms of occam's razor i think there is no simpler and more democratic dirt to have on all people than the original-sin-of-nationalism, so constantly invoked by the monuments of the holocaust. everyone is naturally and instinctively "guilty" of it and so they will always be checked by this instrument.
 
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