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hashtagpls

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Don’t be too sure!

Russia has historically identified with western-Europe. Even their ‘socialist-revolutionary’ turn was based in western-European intellectual-leanings.

Putin is not guaranteed to last indefinitely and we’ve already seen the appeasements of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, i. e., impulses towards western-orientation/assimilation that occur during times of flux in Russian politics. Because of his mafiosi-like domination of Russian political/economic activity, Putin’s departure will, very-likely, leave a power-vacuum and an attendant state of flux in Russia that will be ripe for western exploitation.

Does anyone else, here, find it tellingly preposterous that the major antagonists of WWI and the Czar of Russia (during the revolution) were ALL freaking COUSINS???

ALL that conflict death and destruction caused by an intra-family (intra-racial) squabble. Quite an argument against racism and for nationalism as the root of contemporary conflict, huh?

They are banking on putin get ousted, coup de'etat style, however its unlikely to happen anytime soon, their guy navalny has no broad support despite what the msm say
Must be quite the dilemma for proud european nationalists: be a cuck for white anglo chauvinism and accepting Globohomo or be forced to live in a world where their white privilege no longer applies to a superior Chinese hegemonies.

Putin and his team are entrenched in the Russian security services and they have major beef with the anglo security services; i don't see russia going to be a vassal like poland or czech, any time soon.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Ah, this answered a different question than what I asked and that's my fault for phrasing it the way I did. I understand that existing racism and divides are exploited by politicians (and at the highest level everyone exploits anything they can to achieve their goals) but my point is that racism is natural/inherent and it is what causes the world to reject each other vying hard in any way possible for dominance while Spring2017 seemed to assert that racism is not the real issue but it was just created and sowed by capitalists to draw mass attention from the crimes that they commit against the people. In other words, he believes that the fundamental struggle in the world is between classes which transcends nationality/race while I believe that it is between different races, pitting them and their countries at conflict with each other as they all wish to be regarded as the dominant race in the world thereby giving their children and descendants a significant starting advantage in life.

My understanding was that what @spring2017 was talking about was in the context of the current geopolitical struggle between China and the West. I do not believe there is a universal answer to all circumstances, so I do not believe *every conflict* is due to class struggle, just as I do not believe *every struggle* is due to race.

So, only in the context of the current geopolitical struggle between China and the West, my observations lead me to believe that its nature is more of a class struggle than a racial one.

First, let's talk about the confounding variable, which is history. Europeans were the first nations to industrialize, and thereby gained tremendous power over the rest of the world. For 200-300 years, European culture has been the pre-eminent and dominant culture of the world. Europe was also the birth place of capitalism, so this particular ideology became associated with wealth and prestige, especially after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Europe happens to be predominantly populated by the Caucasian race, and they also happen to have a history of African slave trade. As human beings, the only way you can treat another human being as property is if you can convince yourself that that other person is not a real human being. That is the root of modern racism in America. For centuries, white Americans (and Europeans) have convinced themselves that the "negroid race" were sub-humans only deserving of being treated like cattle by their white masters. By extension, they also convinced themselves that their race and culture were the saviors of other, inferior, cultures and races. That is the legacy that we are dealing with today.

So definitely, racial elements play a role in the current struggle. However, I would argue that the class struggle is the more fundamental dynamic.

The crux of the matter is motivation and interest. Who benefits, and who has the motivation and the power to make things happen the way they do?

Why is the US attacking China, and why now? Why are US allies cooperating with the US even against their own apparent national interests? It's easy to blame the timing on Trump, but as we can see from Biden's actions, the US hostility was going to happen even under a different leadership.

So what were the developments that led the US to focus their aggression against China like never before?

The race for 5G is one of those developments. 5G has the potential to usher in a new industrial revolution, and like the previous revolutions before it, the nation that wins that race will gain serious advantages against their rivals. By attacking leading Chinese high-tech companies, the US hopes to cripple the lead China has managed to gain in the 5G race.

At least that was what we all thought at first, until the HK riots started.

The HK riots had nothing to do with China's 5G development. Not even the most optimistic US strategist would claim that disrupting HK would affect Huawei's 5G dominance. So what was the purpose of instigating insurrections in HK? If it was only that one incident, even as serious as it was, we could dismiss it as just the West trying to exploit existing tensions.

Then the Uyghur genocide claims started. Keep in mind that the claim of Uyghurs being imprisoned in mass concentration camps predate the HK riots. However, no genocide claims were ever advanced (unless you count the nebulous "cultural genocide" claims) until the HK situation had largely stabilized.

This was very obviously a follow-up attack to HK. HK and Xinjiang were part of the same strategic theatre, while the sanctions on Huawei et al. were part of a different theatre.

So what does HK and Xinjiang have in common?

OBOR.

Xinjiang is the gateway to the Belt, while HK is (or was?) one of the gateways to the Road. We all know what OBOR is about, so I won't repeat it here, but I would ask the question: why would the US, and the West, feel threated by OBOR? China has had other economic partnership initiatives before without incurring such hostility, so what is so special about OBOR?

My belief is that this is because OBOR threatens two strategic interests of Western Capitalism: the Middle East, and Africa. OBOR has the potential to link the economies of Iran and Iraq, two of countries with the biggest oil reserves outside of Saudi Arabia, with the economy of China. Where the US has had to pay the price of 40k casualties and 2 trillion USD to secure the oil reserves of Iraq, China threatens to undo all of that through economic cooperation. That is simply unacceptable for the likes of Exxon Mobile and BP.

Likewise, Africa has long been the playground of European colonialists, even after the supposed independence of those African nations. France effectively controls the economy of all nations in the Françafrique. The US and the UK also have a long history of giving supposed "aid" to impoverished nations in return for exploitative access to their natural resources. For years, these Western actors have been warily eyeing China's successes in Africa, and now OBOR threatens to take those successes to a whole new level.

It is clear to me that the current geopolitical tensions are highly economic in nature, and that the racial aspects are just existing tensions that are being exploited by the West to harden domestic opinion against China, quite possibly in preparation for an armed conflict. What's more, these economic conflicts are driven entirely by the interests of the Western Capitalist class who are loathe to abandon their existing models of exploitation against the weaker nations of the world (what Twitter folks call the "Global South"). To me, that is quite clearly a class struggle.
 

james smith esq

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Must be quite the dilemma for proud european nationalists: be a cuck for white anglo chauvinism and accepting Globohomo or be forced to live in a world where their white privilege no longer applies to a superior Chinese hegemonies.

Putin and his team are entrenched in the Russian security services and they have major beef with the anglo security services; i don't see russia going to be a vassal like poland or czech, any time soon.
However, as per standard mafiosi practice, when the Don falls, the soldiers pledge allegiance to the highest-bidder! The Russians are, most-definitely for sale, and especially to the highest-bidder.
 

hashtagpls

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However, as per standard mafiosi practice, when the Don falls, the soldiers pledge allegiance to the highest-bidder! The Russians are, most-definitely for sale, and especially to the highest-bidder.
I'd disagree, the highest bidders were undoubtedly the west throughout the 90s and the medvedev years and still, the Russian security establishment still held their own in guaranteeing Russian sovereignty.
 

james smith esq

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The key to this puzzle is in understanding that the US, despite its independent economic power, is ultimately nothing but the enforcer of European, and particularly, British imperialism. Though, in Chess terms, the US may be the queen, it is not the key to this geo-political game.

I think that it’s imperative, in the very near future, that China and Russia establish an alignment specifically intended to assure the British that continued efforts at imperialistic policies targeting Chinese and Russian nations will result in the termination of the House of Windsor and of the British national polity.

Checkmate!

Does anyone really believe that the French, Germans, Spanish, Italians, et c., will sacrifice their nations to defend the Anal-Saxons?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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"US dropping sanctions on Nord Stream 2 is a result of Germany finally having enough of the US meddling into Germany's affairs, especially having, for Germany, an existential significance, once one considers Germany's industrial and living energy costs being one of the highest in the world. Yet, Greenwald, evidently thinks that the US "granted" Germany the right to have NS2 completed this year. This is a very wrong way to rub German business. But then again, recall John Mearsheimer, one of the foremost US realists talking couple of years ago about Russia as having economy the size of Texas (or Spain, or Netherlands, what have you) and "mediocre" Armed Forces. This is not an exception, this is a feature of American "realists". They still think that the United States controls the world and is the one which grants everyone the right to exist.This is a complete delusion."

"American circumstances today are dire--both economically and politically, with country losing fast its weight and influence globally and being, for the lack of better word, a complete fvcking mess internally, surviving only on printing a shitload of money which already run a serious inflation. Reputational losses are altogether a whole other story ripe for truckload of Ph.D theses to be written on that issue. It took Germany merely an act of a serious talking to the United States and threatening with actions--some of them could include a complete reorientation towards Eurasian projects--that the US got the message that not only it may lose its main vassal, which is trying to break the bonds of vassalage as we speak, but any serious prospects in Europe. Now imagine US worst nightmare: Berlin-Moscow-Beijing axis and a much faster coalescence of the colossal Eurasian space into a unified market. That removes the US immediately to the rank of the regional powers and to the fringes of what evolves already into the engine of global economic and civilizational development."

From the author of: LOSING MILITARY SUPREMACY THE MYOPIA OF AMERICAN STRATEGIC PLANNING Andrei Martyanov.

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james smith esq

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I'd disagree, the highest bidders were undoubtedly the west throughout the 90s and the medvedev years and still, the Russian security establishment still held their own in guaranteeing Russian sovereignty.
I’m not suggesting that Russian ‘sovereignty’ would be compromised, but Russian sovereignty most certainly would.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
My understanding was that what @spring2017 was talking about was in the context of the current geopolitical struggle between China and the West. I do not believe there is a universal answer to all circumstances, so I do not believe *every conflict* is due to class struggle, just as I do not believe *every struggle* is due to race.

So, only in the context of the current geopolitical struggle between China and the West, my observations lead me to believe that its nature is more of a class struggle than a racial one.

First, let's talk about the confounding variable, which is history. Europeans were the first nations to industrialize, and thereby gained tremendous power over the rest of the world. For 200-300 years, European culture has been the pre-eminent and dominant culture of the world. Europe was also the birth place of capitalism, so this particular ideology became associated with wealth and prestige, especially after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Europe happens to be predominantly populated by the Caucasian race, and they also happen to have a history of African slave trade. As human beings, the only way you can treat another human being as property is if you can convince yourself that that other person is not a real human being. That is the root of modern racism in America. For centuries, white Americans (and Europeans) have convinced themselves that the "negroid race" were sub-humans only deserving of being treated like cattle by their white masters. By extension, they also convinced themselves that their race and culture were the saviors of other, inferior, cultures and races. That is the legacy that we are dealing with today.

So definitely, racial elements play a role in the current struggle. However, I would argue that the class struggle is the more fundamental dynamic.

The crux of the matter is motivation and interest. Who benefits, and who has the motivation and the power to make things happen the way they do?

Why is the US attacking China, and why now? Why are US allies cooperating with the US even against their own apparent national interests? It's easy to blame the timing on Trump, but as we can see from Biden's actions, the US hostility was going to happen even under a different leadership.

So what were the developments that led the US to focus their aggression against China like never before?

The race for 5G is one of those developments. 5G has the potential to usher in a new industrial revolution, and like the previous revolutions before it, the nation that wins that race will gain serious advantages against their rivals. By attacking leading Chinese high-tech companies, the US hopes to cripple the lead China has managed to gain in the 5G race.

At least that was what we all thought at first, until the HK riots started.

The HK riots had nothing to do with China's 5G development. Not even the most optimistic US strategist would claim that disrupting HK would affect Huawei's 5G dominance. So what was the purpose of instigating insurrections in HK? If it was only that one incident, even as serious as it was, we could dismiss it as just the West trying to exploit existing tensions.

Then the Uyghur genocide claims started. Keep in mind that the claim of Uyghurs being imprisoned in mass concentration camps predate the HK riots. However, no genocide claims were ever advanced (unless you count the nebulous "cultural genocide" claims) until the HK situation had largely stabilized.

This was very obviously a follow-up attack to HK. HK and Xinjiang were part of the same strategic theatre, while the sanctions on Huawei et al. were part of a different theatre.

So what does HK and Xinjiang have in common?

OBOR.

Xinjiang is the gateway to the Belt, while HK is (or was?) one of the gateways to the Road. We all know what OBOR is about, so I won't repeat it here, but I would ask the question: why would the US, and the West, feel threated by OBOR? China has had other economic partnership initiatives before without incurring such hostility, so what is so special about OBOR?

My belief is that this is because OBOR threatens two strategic interests of Western Capitalism: the Middle East, and Africa. OBOR has the potential to link the economies of Iran and Iraq, two of countries with the biggest oil reserves outside of Saudi Arabia, with the economy of China. Where the US has had to pay the price of 40k casualties and 2 trillion USD to secure the oil reserves of Iraq, China threatens to undo all of that through economic cooperation. That is simply unacceptable for the likes of Exxon Mobile and BP.

Likewise, Africa has long been the playground of European colonialists, even after the supposed independence of those African nations. France effectively controls the economy of all nations in the Françafrique. The US and the UK also have a long history of giving supposed "aid" to impoverished nations in return for exploitative access to their natural resources. For years, these Western actors have been warily eyeing China's successes in Africa, and now OBOR threatens to take those successes to a whole new level.

It is clear to me that the current geopolitical tensions are highly economic in nature, and that the racial aspects are just existing tensions that are being exploited by the West to harden domestic opinion against China, quite possibly in preparation for an armed conflict. What's more, these economic conflicts are driven entirely by the interests of the Western Capitalist class who are loathe to abandon their existing models of exploitation against the weaker nations of the world (what Twitter folks call the "Global South"). To me, that is quite clearly a class struggle.
I strongly disagree with the thesis that the Sino-US conflict is one of class. I feel it is obvious that it is a struggle of race and to a lesser extent, ideology but only because certain ideologies have become tied to Anglo Saxons to the point where it would cause them much humiliation if it were proven that there was a better way. The West wishes to see a world dominated by their ideology and their Caucasian descendants and if China were to become the most powerful country in the world, that would be broken. As I said before, rich people and poor people in the same race can change places in a few generations, years, or stock trades but races stay fundamentally different. This fundamental difference is the only thing worth fighting for because to remain rich or become rich, the answer is really within oneself and gaming the system of one's own country, not in international conflict. These oil companies will continue to make a killing in their domestic economies simply due to their domestic laws and they control these laws in a truly capitalist system. China is no threat to that. Your argument is that Western capitalists initiated this conflict with China in order to preserve their wealth and edge over the poor of their own nations but the fact is that there are wealthy capitalists in all non-dominant countries in the world, that is to say that almost every country from lone superpower to third world dumps, has its wealthy and its poor. You don't need to be on top of the world to be an elite wealthy class. This won't change even if China becomes the world's premier power; these rich corporations and owners will still be the wealthy class in their countries. It makes no sense to fight China for this unless the wealth they have in their countries were dependent on China, which it is not. The only thing that can actually remove their elite wealthy status is a nuclear war that undoes their civilization. So on that note, if the conflict were really about preserving their class within their own country, they should seek exclusive high level economic cooperation with China so that they remain and become ever richer. Instead, they seek ways to economically stymie China even if they themselves take collateral damage and that to me is clear evidence that this conflict is about keeping China and the Chinese down rather than keeping the poor of their own countries down or about preserving their own wealth. Conflict with China is the only real way they could lose their elite status in their nation if things get out of hand.
 
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hashtagpls

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I strongly disagree with the thesis that the Sino-US conflict is one of class. I feel it is obvious that it is a struggle of race and to a lesser extent, ideology but only because certain ideologies have become tied to Anglo Saxons to the point where it would cause them much humiliation if it were proven that there was a better way. The West wishes to see a world dominated by their ideology and their Caucasian descendants and if China were to become the most powerful country in the world, that would be broken. As I said before, rich people and poor people in the same race can change places in a few generations, years, or stock trades but races stay fundamentally different. This fundamental difference is the only thing worth fighting for because to remain rich or become rich, the answer is really within oneself and gaming the system of one's own country, not in international conflict. These oil companies will continue to make a killing in their domestic economies simply due to their domestic laws and they control these laws in a truly capitalist system. China is no threat to that. Your argument is that Western capitalists initiated this conflict with China in order to preserve their wealth and edge over the poor of their own nations but the fact is that there are wealthy capitalists in all non-dominant countries in the world, that is to say that almost every country from lone superpower to third world dumps, has its wealthy and its poor. You don't need to be on top of the world to be an elite wealthy class. This won't change even if China becomes the world's premier power; these rich corporations and owners will still be the wealthy class in their countries. It makes no sense to fight China for this unless the wealth they have in their countries were dependent on China, which it is not. The only thing that can actually remove their elite wealthy status is a nuclear war that undoes their civilization. So on that note, if the conflict were really about preserving their class within their own country, they should seek exclusive high level economic cooperation with China so that they remain and become ever richer. Instead, they seek ways to economically stymie China even if they themselves take collateral damage and that to me is clear evidence that this conflict is about keeping China and the Chinese down rather than keeping the poor of their own countries down or about preserving their own wealth. Conflict with China is the only real way they could lose their elite status in their nation if things get out of hand.
100%

White supremacy, specifically anglo chauvinism is the bedrock of the West; this is why a country like czech or poland or lithuania which could gain so much more from trade and links with China, choose to remain poor and a slave to white anglo interests because of the primordial appeal of race consciousness.

The BS that the anglo west preaches about 'multiculturalism' and colour lind societies is an opiate to calm the coloured nations of the world to willingly accept their subservient status as slaves to white anglo supremacy, the same way white european slavers used christian proselytism to lull the natives into slavery.
 

gelgoog

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All the talk about how Nixon tore apart China from the USSR is plain BS. He merely exploited the already existing Sino-Soviet split.
No such split exists between the Russian Federation and the PRC today.
The US keeps saying one thing one day, and another the next day. The deals they sign aren't worth the paper they are written in.
 
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