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My sources is this documentary from CNA (Singaporean, so they're usually neutral on China) and SCMP.


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The paper you linked to does not contain a "50%" number. Let alone what "dropout" means.

The video is not a peer reviewed source, it is literally the voice of a single person. You should show exactly at what timestamp the "50%" number appears and explain exactly what the definition of a dropout is, and what the equivalent definitions are globally.
 

AssassinsMace

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You're probably going to hear more from this guy. I've seen a couple articles and interviews about this book already today.

This guy is claiming Apple built China as the technological powerhouse and threat to the US it is today. To me it sounds like business as usual and so what? No surprising revelations. I remember when they were insulting China as just being the assembler of iPhones. All the hi-tech parts where from all over the advanced Western allied world. Then they forget Steve Jobs was a Dalai Lama supporter. You can't take credit for something they didn't intend to do in the first place.
 

AssassinsMace

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I didn't know Mike Chen is Falun Gong. I think Uncle Roger was also mentioned but don't know if it was said he was Falun Gong. I know Harry Wu was the one to first bring up the idea of organ harvesting to where that came from but haven't heard if he was Falun Gong. It's no wonder the right wing are fans of the Epoch Times because they look to Trump like a cult leader who can do no wrong and MAGA seems like it's a cult.
 
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TPenglake

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The paper you linked to does not contain a "50%" number. Let alone what "dropout" means.

The video is not a peer reviewed source, it is literally the voice of a single person. You should show exactly at what timestamp the "50%" number appears and explain exactly what the definition of a dropout is, and what the equivalent definitions are globally.
Well if you're interested, the video description itself timestamps the section on education in rural China at 9:46 and the person interviewed puts the number even higher at 60%. What's the definition of a dropout? Is that meant to be rhetorical? Unless you have your own definition I would say its as simple as someone who can't complete the school's necessary courses, can't get their diploma, and thus leaves.

As I said in my OP, perhaps due to COVID its hard to find the latest up to date statistic on just how many rural Chinese youths are able to graduate from high school. This is a more concrete study from the World Bank that puts the number at 47% on page 3, back in 2019.

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Hence 50% was simply the middleground number I came up with. If you think its disingenuous, I apologize for it.

In any event the most up to date article I could find on the issue from SCMP, even if it doesn't have a statistic, does show that however high or low it is, be it on or off paper, it is generally acknowledged there is still a tacit difference in China today between the quality of education that rural youngsters and urban youngsters receive. No doubt its being worked on, but as the latest HDI report shows, China is still a developing nation and so it shouldn't hurt to bring up core issues that need addressing in order for it to become fully developed.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Well if you're interested, the video description itself timestamps the section on education in rural China at 9:46 and the person interviewed puts the number even higher at 60%. What's the definition of a dropout? Is that meant to be rhetorical? Unless you have your own definition I would say its as simple as someone who can't complete the school's necessary courses, can't get their diploma, and thus leaves.

As I said in my OP, perhaps due to COVID its hard to find the latest up to date statistic on just how many rural Chinese youths are able to graduate from high school. This is a more concrete study from the World Bank that puts the number at 47% on page 3, back in 2019.

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Hence 50% was simply the middleground number I came up with. If you think its disingenuous, I apologize for it.

In any event the most up to date article I could find on the issue from SCMP, even if it doesn't have a statistic, does show that however high or low it is, be it on or off paper, it is generally acknowledged there is still a tacit difference in China today between the quality of education that rural youngsters and urban youngsters receive. No doubt its being worked on, but as the latest HDI report shows, China is still a developing nation and so it shouldn't hurt to bring up core issues that need addressing in order for it to become fully developed.
High school graduation isn't the standard in China though. The timespan of compulsory education is 9 years. Dropout implies that they left compulsory education which my citation showed was false - there were only ~800 people who dropped out of compulsory education in all of China by 2020, and each was monitored by a case officer.

Your World Bank link also states this:
China’s transition rate from lower secondary education to higher secondary education has increased significantly, from 80.5 percent to 93.7 percent.
The fact that high school is not compulsory means that 93% going in, 77% going out only says a small fraction of those who enter high school either leave or are kicked out.

In addition, in your own World Bank paper, Fig. 1.1 shows China's educational attainment profile vs. 4 categories of economic development: low income, lower-middle, upper-middle and high, separated by grade level. China's educational attainment is equal or superior to all other categories until developed economies, where there is a small fall-off, but is still higher than the average upper-middle income country.

Years of schooling also is measuring an input when what matters is the output. The average American has 13.4 years of schooling yet reads at a 6th grade level and 21% are fully illiterate.

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  • On average, 79% of U.S. adults nationwide are literate in 2024.
  • 21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2024.
  • 54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level (20% are below 5th-grade level).

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My counterproposal is simply that there are many born in the 1950's 1960's 1970's, who are both 1. still alive and 2. still the largest demographic in China, who have very low mean years of schooling. For example 21% of adults in 1982 had no schooling at all and only 7.4% had tertiary education.

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Everyone above 50 on the population pyramid was born in the 1960's or before.

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