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In other words no country is begging for a deal despite how Trump said countries were lining up to kiss his ass.
I think that amongst the top dogs in DC now, it's totally clear that America has become the underdog and they only way to possibly confront China would be with 70+ allies. The only people who still honestly think that America can solo China with an advantage are poorly-educated angry rednecks who think that selling to the US is 80% of China's GDP.

"While at times the Trump team has shrugged off its need for deals with foreign nations, Bessent has shown his hand in why he wants deals: so that he can create a united front against China.

This 'grand encirclement' strategy would see the U.S. strike deals with Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and India in order to apply pressure on China—the only nation that has responded with equally aggressive reciprocal tariffs.

'[Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and India have] been good military allies, not perfect economic allies,' Bessent said last week per Bloomberg. 'Then we can approach China as a group.'"
 

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Hilarious, European news agencies are now doing counter PR on the Chinese luxury handbag expose and numerous twitter accounts have done so called "elaborate breakdowns" on the supposed craft it takes to make an Hermes bag and how to distinguish it from a Chinese fake. Like guys, there's only one way and a super easy one at that, to counter the Chinese propaganda here. Just show us footage, any footage of a French or Italian handbag workshop. Shein does factory tours, why can't you guys, its not like you're taking people inside a particle reactor? And yet days have passed since the expose, two days since DHGate shot to the top of the appstore, and no counter PR in that area.

Also the supposed "flex" that people say they don't care if Chinese manufacterers use the same materials and build the same quality, the fact of the matter is people proudly wear the Gucci and LV logo because it carries more prestige than any Chinese name ever will. Guys I don't know what world you come from, but admitting you are willing to spend the equivalent of a home down payment or a new car on a frickin logo is not exactly the flex you think it is.
This should be common knowledge. How do people not know this. China can make iphones, cars and Nikes. Why can't it make handbags
 

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The US strategy relies on its dominance of global finance (backed by instruments like Wall Street and the petro dollar). The "American consumer" is just an euphemism for US financial hegemony. The reason Bob the Burger Flipper has 20x the buying power of your typical Vietnamese factory worker - despite the latter being more productive - is because Bob gets paid in dollars that the US can get the rest of the world to subsidize.

By dangling the dollar carrot in front of developing countries, the US is selling them the dream that they could be exclusive suppliers to the "great American consumer." But most of these countries, even if they want to take the deal, cannot replace China in their supply chains - they require vast investments as a group to build up the infrastructure. And that investment is not coming, because the US wants the money for itself. Trump is hardly going to be able to spend trillions on factories for Vietnam, India, etc. while inflation crushes the domestic US economy. His base will eat him for it.

So as much as the US strategy seems sensible - and it is probably the most sensible strategy they could do to isolate China, leveraging their strength as a financialized economy - in the end, it is full of contradictions. The needle the US has to thread to reindustrialize is brittle, requiring that it can isolate China through creating a system of trade partners addicted to the US dollar (and thus the US trade deficit), while at the same time, undermining that system through insisting that those partners subsidize the US and correct the deficit. To get countries to agree to this sort of "deal" requires the highest expertise in diplomacy - which Trump isn't exactly known for.

What's likely to happen, instead, is that various countries will strike deals with the US, but with so many exceptions and conditions and holes, that its impacts will, at best, be incremental and at worst, self-defeating. It won't stop Trump from declaring victory, but the fantasy of excluding China from global trade will be just that - a fantasy.

None of this is to say that China should just rest on its hands, of course. But I've talked enough in other threads about what China should do, that I won't repeat it again here.
 

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Let us appreciate how Xinhua assesses Silicon Valley's techbro right-wing figures such as Peter Thiel and Elon Musk.
The article reveals how the capitalist elite is pushing imperialism into a new phase—one where a handful of individuals seek to monopolize power, dismantle the nation-state system, and establish a utopia ruled by a few "sovereign individuals." Figures like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, influenced by Ayn Rand's "Objectivist" philosophy, advocate for elite supremacy, viewing the state as an obstacle to "freedom." They aim to bypass political constraints through encryption technology, artificial intelligence, and space colonization to create decentralized "free spaces."
The core logic of capitalist expansion has always been the monopolization of "free space," historically achieved by leveraging state power to destroy existing orders. Today, however, the elite seek to discard the state entirely and monopolize power directly. The libertarian endgame is an elite utopia without nations or people, where technology enables physical and cognitive immortality, and machines replace labor. This trend reflects a new stage of capitalism: wealth is decoupled from production, technology becomes a tool of control, and the elite wage a "war against all nations" to cement their global dominance.

First half:
Outlook | The War Waged by the "Sovereign Individual" Elite Against All Nations
Imperialism, controlled by the capitalist elite class, is entering a new stage—a stage where a minority monopolizes everything and attempts to destroy all nation-states.
The competition for "free space" is an important underlying logic of Western capitalist development. The desire for exclusive possession constitutes the spatial order concept of Western capitalism—an extremely localized order concept imbued with Christian monistic overtones. Whenever capital needs to expand its space internally or externally, it tends to seek monopoly status by destroying the existing order structures within that space.
When capitalist elites seek to expand their space and encounter nation-states as obstacles to their expansion, they often resort to "freedom," even directly mobilizing the "rabble" they despise in the name of the people to destroy certain orders.
From the perspective of extreme libertarians, the nation-state is the greatest obstacle on the path to seeking "freedom." They aim not only to dominate the United States but also to achieve the expansion of sovereign individuals into all spaces. They believe that the mission of "civilization" is the war of sovereign individuals against all nation-states.
The ultimate utopia of libertarians is one inhabited only by a few elites. In this utopia, there is no place for nation-states or the people—only themselves, as completely "free" as gods.
By Yin Zhiguang
"All our institutions are broken, and the most corrupt among them is the Federal Reserve." In 2021, when Peter Thiel, the "Godfather of Silicon Valley" and a central figure in the tech right-wing community, uttered these words at the Atlas Society's annual fundraising dinner, the audience responded with scornful boos. The boos were directed at the various institutions representing the "deep state." In his speech, Thiel explicitly stated that these institutions shackle human freedom and represent "failed collectivism."
Thiel described the United States as a failed state where "mediocrities" occupy key national institutions, deviating from the path of individual elitism. He claimed that Bitcoin offers new possibilities for breaking this "failed collectivism." He emphasized that the mission of libertarianism is to find a way to "escape all political forms."
When Thiel delivered his speech in 2021, Trump was embroiled in troubles following the Capitol riot, the Democrats had just come to power, and the future direction of American politics was unclear. In his speech, Thiel stressed that libertarians at this time "do not seek salvation through politics but through transcending politics," and that "there is no truly free place in this world," hence the need to seek new "undiscovered free spaces." The spaces Thiel envisioned for achieving "freedom" included: cyberspace, permanent settlements at sea, and outer space. He declared that libertarians must use technological means to rapidly expand into these spaces to preserve the flame of civilization. Recently, Elon Musk also mentioned his Mars colonization plan—as Trump returns to power and allies with Silicon Valley elites, the political propositions of libertarians are once again gaining momentum.
The series of actions by Trump, Musk, and their ilk have delivered a massive shock to the U.S. state apparatus and social institutions. To understand the logic behind these actions, we must ask what kind of world Musk and his peers hope to create, and we must recognize that imperialism, controlled by the capitalist elite class, is entering a new stage—a stage where a minority monopolizes everything and attempts to destroy all nation-states.

The Utopia of Libertarians

The political philosophy of libertarians can be traced to the ideological roots found in the Atlas Society. The name "Atlas" originates from the 1957 novel Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, the founder of the "Objectivist" philosophical school. Objectivist philosophy places individual egoism at its absolute core, asserting that capitalism is the only social system that allows individuals to thrive. In the novel, Rand depicts a "free" utopia built by a tiny elite. In this utopia, selfish yet shrewd elites—businesspeople, scientists, and artists—form a "perfect society" where money replaces intangible morality as the bond holding everything together, serving as the "barometer of social virtue."
In the novel, this utopia is constructed by John Galt, an American genius engineer, inventor, and philosopher. Galt designs a revolutionary electrostatic engine in an attempt to transform the world through technological innovation. However, the United States, deeply influenced by "collectivism," has been overrun by "mediocrities"—referred to in the novel as "parasites." These parasites occupy governments, universities, corporate management, industry associations, and international organizations, restricting the technological development of individual enterprises, stifling competition, and even suppressing the tiny elite known as "creators" through laws, media, governments, and labor unions, denying the significance of individual struggle. In resistance to the parasitic class, Galt unites other creators to launch a strike. Though the creators are few in number, they are the "rational" elite of humanity. Among them are a steel magnate who invents high-performance alloys to advance industrial progress, a railroad president who fights bureaucracy and unions, a coal mine owner who adheres to free-market principles, a copper tycoon who willingly destroys his own company to expose the absurdity of "collectivism," and a philosopher who advocates a return to true classical rational philosophy.
In the strike manifesto, Galt declares his commitment to the "virtue of selfishness," vowing "not to live for others" and "not to be exploited by parasites." Other creators echo Galt's "rational" proposition, establishing their own "equal" utopia deep in a Colorado canyon. In this utopia, known as "Galt's Gulch," the creators preserve the flame of human civilization and continue to advance human technology. By withdrawing from society and "stopping the engine of the world" to "force society to reflect," the society dominated by parasites rapidly collapses.
We can view Atlas Shrugged as a utopian text in the history of Western capitalist development, embodying an elitist worldview centered on individuals as the driving force of history. Under this worldview, the progression of human history becomes the subjective creation of elite individuals. These individuals replace the Christian theological concept of God as the creator and sole sovereign, becoming the omniscient and omnipotent beings who wield intellect and reason to control the codes of nature and human societal development. In other words, this worldview does not achieve the disenchantment of religion but rather appears to replace the divine with "elites" to maintain a rigid hierarchy in a world where "God is dead."
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Second half:

Destroying the "Old Society," Competing for "Free Space"

Today, as the U.S. political landscape evolves, the extreme libertarians born from Silicon Valley's internet economy model—including Peter Thiel, who plays the role of an elite political theologian and prophet of Western civilization, and Elon Musk, who deliberately crafts his image as Silicon Valley's "Iron Man" and declares his mission to save human civilization—have stepped into the spotlight. They replicate Atlas Shrugged, emulating Galt's example, attempting to completely destroy the "old society" occupied by "parasites" or "mediocrities" and establish a utopia governed solely by themselves in a "free land" or "free space" devoid of nation-states, systems, or ethical constraints. In this decentralized, anarchic utopia, figures like Thiel fantasize about achieving immortality of consciousness or even the physical body through brain-computer interfaces and gene-editing technologies, while replacing human labor with artificial intelligence and robotics.
The competition for "free space" is an important underlying logic of Western capitalist development. The desire for exclusive possession constitutes the spatial order concept of Western capitalism—an extremely localized order concept imbued with Christian monistic overtones. Whenever capital needs to expand its space internally or externally, it tends to seek monopoly status by destroying the existing order structures within that space.
Looking back at the history of Western capitalism's expansion into "free space," we can observe repeated oscillations in the relationship between capitalist elites as individuals and the nation-state as an organized force.
When capitalist elites seek to expand their space and encounter nation-states as obstacles to their expansion, they often resort to "freedom," even directly mobilizing the "rabble" they despise in the name of the people to destroy certain orders. For example, when capitalism sought dominance in Europe, it invoked "freedom" to legitimize the bourgeoisie's seizure of political power, liberated peasants from feudal production relations to transform them into laborers, and ultimately destroyed the feudal power and ownership structures tied to land.
When capitalist elites attempt to establish a hegemonic order conducive to their expansion, they rely on the nation-state as a "collective" tool to facilitate their ambitions. From the colonial era, when they occupied land in the "New World" and engaged in maritime plunder under royal charters, to the era of trade imperialism, when they leveraged nation-states to impose tariff strikes on competitors and wage wars on semi-colonies, this characteristic has been evident.
This dynamic of competition and cooperation between individuals and nation-states has shaped capitalism's unique order, yet its foundation remains individualism. Europe's persistent fragmentation and failure to unify reflect the sovereign consciousness rooted in individualism. This concept also creates an inherent tension between sovereign individuals and sovereign nation-states.
In 1997, a book titled The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age quietly appeared. The authors presented two forms of nation-states: one controlled by government "employees," the other by "clients." They argued that the former, constrained by the self-interest of government departments, deviates from the original intent of democracy, operates at high cost with low efficiency, and—under the pretext of providing "protective services"—acts like a monopolistic entity that continuously extracts wealth from the people to maintain its capacity for violence. Only a nation-state truly dominated by "clients," they claimed, could solve the "inefficiency of democracy."
It is not hard to see that this book already contained the blueprint for Western tech elites to destroy the "old society" and create new "free spaces." When the book was republished in 2020, Peter Thiel wrote a preface for it. He excitedly noted that advancements in information technology had, for the first time, given elites the ability to intellectually control the direction of the "rabble" and even everything. Artificial intelligence made "centralized control of the entire economy possible," while the most important tool in the hands of sovereign individuals was "strong encryption technology," representing liberalism, which could usher in a "decentralized and personalized world."
To extreme libertarians, the nation-state is the greatest obstacle on the path to seeking "freedom." They aim not only to dominate the United States but also to achieve the expansion of sovereign individuals into all spaces. They believe that the mission of "civilization" is the war of sovereign individuals against all nation-states.
In the late 20th century, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, sovereign individuals relied on the United States as a tool of violence to destroy the state apparatus of newly independent Soviet republics in Central Asia and Eastern Europe, creating "free space" for capital to roam unchecked. Today, in the eyes of extreme libertarians, aside from the "employee"-controlled United States, China also poses a real threat.

Capitalism Enters a New Stage

The rise of America's tech elite and their pursuit of a decentralized, anarchic order reflect capitalism's entry into a new stage of development. In this stage, technological progress and the continuous accumulation of individual wealth make it possible for a tiny minority to break free from nation-states and achieve monopoly. They differ most significantly from libertarians of the past in two ways.
First, their methods of wealth accumulation are highly detached from production. As "venture capitalists," their wealth growth is closely tied to the extreme volatility of highly globalized stock, bond, futures, financial derivatives, and cryptocurrency markets. Financial markets and cryptocurrencies have created individuals with wealth comparable to nations. Their wealth growth is entirely disconnected from production and the lives of the vast majority, yet it exerts significant societal influence, leading libertarians to believe that the utopia ruled by a tiny elite is inevitable.
Second, with advancements in information technology, robotics, artificial intelligence, and biotechnology, libertarians see the possibility of expanding "free space." When tech elites achieve physical immortality through genetic engineering and consciousness immortality through brain-computer interfaces in the "metaverse," allowing consciousness to traverse freely between electronic and physical spaces, will this godlike "freedom" not constitute the utopia they seek? At the same time, all material labor required to sustain this utopia can be performed by robots. This will sever the last—and most unsettling—connection between libertarians and the "rabble."
The ultimate utopia of libertarians is one inhabited only by a few elites. In this utopia, there is no place for nation-states or the people—only themselves, as completely "free" as gods.
The libertarianism embraced by figures like Peter Thiel represents the final abandonment of the nation-state as an organizational form they once parasitized, now that capital has achieved dominance. The history of Western capitalism is replete with libertarians "discovering and occupying" "free space."
Today, as the White House changes hands, young tech elites who believe technology can solve all problems have found in Trump—a libertarian of the older generation—a shortcut to destroying the "employee"-state. Under the lie of "revitalizing American manufacturing," libertarians are using the "client"-dominated United States to carry out their old work of attempting to destroy other nations while exploring the complete replacement of the "rabble's" labor with machines in an AI-driven financial frenzy.
Compared to Trump, Thiel and Musk represent the new sovereigns of capitalism's new era. They believe they can seize the power to monopolize and dominate everything from the hands of nation-states, becoming the most thorough, complete, and "free" libertarians. Today, these new sovereigns of capitalism, like their forebears, are waging war against all people and all nations under the banner of saving "civilization."
(The author is a professor and doctoral advisor at the School of International Relations and Public Affairs, Fudan University.)
 

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I think that amongst the top dogs in DC now, it's totally clear that America has become the underdog and they only way to possibly confront China would be with 70+ allies. The only people who still honestly think that America can solo China with an advantage are poorly-educated angry rednecks who think that selling to the US is 80% of China's GDP.

"While at times the Trump team has shrugged off its need for deals with foreign nations, Bessent has shown his hand in why he wants deals: so that he can create a united front against China.

This 'grand encirclement' strategy would see the U.S. strike deals with Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and India in order to apply pressure on China—the only nation that has responded with equally aggressive reciprocal tariffs.

'[Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and India have] been good military allies, not perfect economic allies,' Bessent said last week per Bloomberg. 'Then we can approach China as a group.'"
So this moron exposes the USA as a nation of cowards that have no guts to take on a nation head one, one on one like real men. In fact, when was the last time the USA won a fight by itself
 

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The Trump administration plans to use ongoing tariff negotiations to pressure U.S. trading partners to limit their dealings with China, according to people with knowledge of the conversations.

The idea is to extract commitments from U.S. trading partners to isolate China’s economy in exchange for reductions in trade and tariff barriers imposed by the White House. U.S. officials plan to use negotiations with more than 70 nations to ask them to disallow China to ship goods through their countries, prevent Chinese firms from locating in their territories to avoid U.S. tariffs, and not absorb China’s cheap industrial goods into their economies.

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One brain behind the strategy is Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, who has taken a leading role in the trade negotiations since Trump announced a 90-day pause on reciprocal tariffs for most nations—but not China—on April 9.

Bessent pitched the idea to Trump during an April 6 meeting in Mar-a-Lago, said people familiar with the discussion, saying that extracting concessions from U.S. trading partners could prevent Beijing and its firms from avoiding U.S. tariffs, export controls and other economic measures, the people said.

Bessent's head is absolutely going to roll if there are no major breakthroughs at the end of the 90 day period. The very fact that China has traded blow for blow with the US ought to give all the other nations a lot of confidence in negotiations.

The tactic is part of a larger strategy being pushed by Bessent to isolate the Chinese economy, which has gained traction among Trump officials recently. Debates over the scope and severity of U.S. tariffs are ongoing, but officials largely appear to agree with Bessent’s China plan.

It involves cutting China off from the U.S. economy with tariffs and potentially even cutting Chinese stocks out of U.S. exchanges. Bessent didn’t rule out the administration trying to delist Chinese stocks in a recent interview with Fox Business. "
How stupid do they think other countries are? What's stopping them from slapping them with more tariffs after they're done with China? International politics trade on trust due to the lack of enforcement mechanism. Trump has lost everyone's trust, no one will be making deals with him that can have potentially long term, binding effects which pissing off China will.
 

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Western media like to always use "state media" or "ruling party's media" to describe news from CN media. Do they think it will give them more credibility or just a norm?

It allows for the discarding of any Chinese media viewpoints as just government propaganda and therefore invalid and not representing what people "truly" think. Of course if Chinese people do express their viewpoint through other means and it differs from Western viewpoints they are quick to be labelled as "brainwashed".
 
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